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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2004 05:29    Post subject: A final rebuke to Messian Dread Reply with quote

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A final rebuke to Messian Dread:

This letter is for the individual that calls himself "Messian Dread" and all of those that have read his bitter posts and writings . We at LionofZion.com apologize to all of those that have been hurt, offended or belittled by his irrational and often vicious posts throughout the years. We are sorry that you have been wounded by this individual's sharp words.

We have attempted to fix this problem many times. In this forum, we have always tried to foster a friendly environment where individuals can discuss without being disrespected or belittled. As the administrator of this board (a responsibility that I do not take lightly), I am again being bombarded with a host of phone and e-mail complaints about this person. Given this, we are forced to take action once again. Before we made any decisions we first wanted to do some research. After studying various posts and all of our computer files full of arguments and complaints over this individual, we have come to the following conclusion: over the last 6 years, this person has been a divider and not a uniter. My records shows that he has been rebuked both publicly and privately for his marijuana use, his compromising blend of Rastafarianism and Christianity (though up until recently he refused to call himself a Christian).

His divisiveness has gotten him banned from this forum before. But in an attempt to give him grace, Mark Mohr encouraged the then webmaster to reinstate him. This was a big mistake.

A leopard cannot change its spots nor can a scorpion withhold its sting--and you my friend have stung far too many people for us to idly stand by. This is not your final warning, you received that many years ago. You have been e-mailed, called, posted, edited and banned and yet you still continue to start your fires in our backyard. This will stop today. We have always encouraged freedom of speech in these forums and wanted to create a safe environment where people can reason in peace. Yet there has been little peace in your unreasonable posts. We refuse to throw our pearls before you any longer.

This is not a conspiracy, you have made far too many enemies with your slanderous words and illegal misuse of individual's posts and copyrighted material. We know that you have serious contentions with the faith of Evangelical Christians, as we do yours. But we do not go on your website's forum condemning your marijuana smoking or your Rastafarian claims, nor do we wish for you to post on LionofZion.com your propaganda that contradicts the very foundations of our Judeo Christian belief system. All of the moderators and I refuse to listen to the wayward bantering of a self proclaimed Rastafarian Christian (a curious phrase say the least).

We do acknowledge that there are certain self proclaimed Rastas that deny the divinity of Rastafari and believe that Jesus is Lord. We praise God for these brothers and sisters in the Lord that have seen the truth. So yes, some rastas may be Christians and some Christians do consider themselves rastas. On this point we can agree and we apologize for lumping all Rastafarians into the category of "Selassie Worshipers". Yet this concession comes no where close to justifying Messian Dreads approach.

If this was simply one conflict we would forgive you, but again, this is a pattern that must be broken. This should not be a problem because you recently e-mailed me stating that you will "no longer post on this forum," further threatening to post your endless monologue on your website's forum. This is great! I am so glad that you have your own forum to post in so that you won't go through withdrawals and try to come back here under another name. But you wouldn't do that, after all, as a believer in Kristos (as you call Him), you must be a man of your word. So let's work this out like reasonable adults; I (The administrator) won't go to your forum and you will no longer come to ours.

This should be an easy out for you--you can't seem to agree with what we stand for as reggae loving Christians, so simply LEAVE and please don't come back unless you are truly willing to repent of the things that you have been rebuked of over the years. I am sorry to make this rebuke public, but that is what we are called to do according to Matthew 18 and 1st Corinthian 5.

As I have digested this matter for some time, I am reminded of Jude 1:18-19 that says;

"In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires. These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit."

This is not to say that you do not have the Spirit, only God knows that. But if you do, reveal this by love, grace and a respect for our wishes as brothers and sisters in Christ--leave this forum. You have your own forum, feel free to malign our names and Evangelical doctrines in it all that you want. You have your own platform--use it. We expect nothing less. Lastly, we thank you for the controversy that you have given to our ministry as it has only been used by God to spread His truth even further. Even your misused out-of-context quotes contain profound truths about the kingdom of God that cannot be ignored by rational readers. Christafarians (if there is such a thing) know the truth when they hear it and can smell a skunk in the room no matter how much it hides.

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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2004 05:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

As AARON-JUDAH says it,

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simply please CLOSE THIS 'GANJA RASTA' FORUM


Cause when real rastas are not participating all it does is spread false information( anti -rasta propaganda) of TRUE practicing rastas & what they TRUTHFULLY BELIEF YESHUAH-WISE.

I dont know messian-dreads history on & off this site, but all I got to say from the few posts I have read, he is deeply frustrated over being confronted on the ground by footsoldiers coming to fight him in the name of YOUR:- CHRISTAFARI FAQ.


GADAMAWE( old one) BLESS!!
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PostPosted: 24 Oct 2004 09:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm sorry to see that it has come down to this, I for one will miss many of Messian's thought provoking reasonings.. but.. you gotta do what you gotta do
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PostPosted: 24 Oct 2004 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you gotta do what you gotta do


yes as a X-ristian! one gotta do what you gotta do to fight rastafarian YESHUAH meditation truths down.
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PostPosted: 24 Oct 2004 20:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of the moderators and I refuse to listen to the wayward bantering
well i for one did not give say in that statement nor did i give a yes or no about wether he should be kicked off this site. but at the same time have also unsubscribed as a moderator because i am not on here enough to really take part in the "duty" of a moderator. i hope no offense is taken by this, it was just something i felt i needed to do. and i personally though i have not always agreed with MD on certain issues have been strengthened through certain reasonings with him even though i disagreed, doing study thinking and reasoning regadless of wether not i i agreed has strengthened I. i cannot say much about this whole thing as i dont not know a complete history all the "offenses". i though i do know the areas were he and LOZ disagree. at same time i have also witnessed MD go to lengths in effectivly reasoning and defending faith in the Messiah to certain ones that have been on this site.

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of a self proclaimed Rastafarian Christian (a curious phrase say the least).

I persoanlly disagree with the title Rastafarian Christian. a RasTa is a RasTa and a Christian is a Christian. not to say that both cant believe in the same Messiah. but the livity,personality, practice, and concepts in many areas are completly different.

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Christafarians (if there is such a thing)
i believe there is

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Kristos (as you call Him)
as He is called by the governing language of His day. i am sensing some kind of vibes i dont like here though i could be wrong it seems like there is some feelings about MDs dislike to using the commonly christian use of Geezus

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Rastas that deny the divinity of Rastafari and believe that Jesus is Lord.
since there is a process of clarity going on right now let us be clear here as well... RasTas that deny the diety of Selassie... becasue those of InI RasTman who site the Messiah not Selassie do hold a title of the words Ras Tafari because by definition that is only Jah. and as a man Selassie was only temporoarily called that (the difinition making no statement that he is a the english definition of th word says "Head Creatorm One to be feared" as i a have said before i met a man in ethiopia whose name meant tree but i know he was not a tree)as head of gov't before his kingship

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On this point we can agree and we apologize for lumping all Rastafarians into the category of "Selassie Worshipers"

I give thanks for that

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Yet this concession comes no where close to justifying Messian Dreads approach.
so it is to say then that MD is removed for his approach then not the mere fact of disagreement? cause there are lots on here that do not agree with LOZ on certain issues

like i said i do not know al lthe facts and complete history behind all this so i am no liberty to say who is right or wrong here. but it is sad to see something like this whole thing happen at all
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PostPosted: 24 Oct 2004 21:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ras B,

Messian Dread has not been removed or otherwise banned from this forum, he removed himself by stating that he wouldn't be posting on this forum anymore.


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PostPosted: 25 Oct 2004 07:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very sad about the outcome of this" dispute(?)"
I am going to miss Messian Dread very much.His posts has to me always been very informative,very personal,passionated as in his opinions and with a great humour,wich apparently many has missed,since they have been so caught up feeling offended or belittled.

Moderator may say he has not been banned, that Jetze himself said he was not going to post again.
I though,read by Godfollower something like "please don't come back","We refuse to throw our pearls before you(Jetze)any longer,
Christafarians know the truth and can smell a skunk in the room no matter how much it hides.
This things were really insulting i think.
She also said that many of his posts were vicious(????????)and irrational.
Well now,i think the one without sin in his words should be throwing the first stone..........

To refer to Messian dreads use of marijuana was really cheap and insulting.I thought people here were mature christians,not exposing a brothers weakness in public,like a kick in the ass.
Generally i felt that the dealing with this whole issue has been very secteristic.

This forum has been a great meetingplace for people believing in our Lord Jesus Christ,Kristos,Xristos or whatever language anyone uses.
It has been great to be able to gather around Marks wonderful music and meet wonderful people in the name of our Lord.

As for irrational or false teachings i do believe that God is good and that people have a mind of their own.
I have an orthodox faith and i surely do not agree with many on this site about several things.But love is bigger than that.Love kept me coming back.
Where did love go?????

If this is going to be a forum for people of the same denomination only,otherwise one is seen as an enemy,then i think it should be stated more clearly.

I do think that one of the most fascinating thing about this site has been originality,democracy and freedom to express oneself.
Again i can not see any insults from Jetze.

My frustration is very big and i think i would appreciate a comment from Mark.
Also from my brothers Jah Pickney,Zionslave,Juhok and JonaGus,since i really respect their opinions and way of seeing things.

May the grace of our God keep this forum a forum of acceptance and love beyond dominations and cultures.Amen!!
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PostPosted: 25 Oct 2004 07:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be belittled,offended or whatever by Messian Dreads posts is showing to me that man is unsure of himself.
Anyone who knows his faith,knows his God and loves his brother does not become offended easily.

Maybe the problem is not in Mesian dreads post,but that people have to go in line and never question things?Jetze wanted people to wake up and think more.Be able to explain and defend their believes properly to other people.No wrong in that.

I am really sorry if i have made anyone felt offended,but i feel so much frustration.Jetze has been treated very bad.God bless him.
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