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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2002 20:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian Dread here says that Christafari says that one does not have to stop smoking weed before accepting Christ as savior. Well, I don't debate this. I believe one could be stoned and/or drunk and accept Jesus as Savior. But I believe after accepting Christ as Savior...sooner or later Christ should be the only high one needs. If someone already accepted Christ as savior and Christ comes and lives in one's heart...then why would one still need to smoke weed or get drunk to feel close to Jah? Is not the fact the Jesus lives in your heart supose to be enough to make you feel close to Jah? I would ask: "What do you define as be "Sober minded at all times"? Do you think that this statement saying one should be, "Sober at all times" ONLY refers to being drunk but not stoned?
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2002 21:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ites.

Now that we have been redeemed by the eternal blood of God's Own Son ,let us press on to persue all that is godly and righteous, laying down all our own rights and giving in our all to the One who gave up His All so that we could be united.

My view is that there are no prerequisits for Savlvation but the fruit of new life should follow our baptism into Christ,
for we are burried with Jesus through baptism and raised to new life just as Jah did Raise Him Up from the grave.

For me, I struggled with the issue of the Herb but IanI can do all things through Him that strengthens IanI. seen.

Irech out, sighting up unification in this iration.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2002 22:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not want to use this forum as a platform for my own meditations on herb. If you wanna know what I think about herb I would gladly discuss this in the Dubroom Messageboards or better even perhaps, by email. I also do not feel the need to use this forum as a platform to bring my opinnion on herb. It's a matter of respect for Christafari (for me).

Another thing, before this can be discussed, I think it would have to be defined what one means with accepting Kristos as the Savior. Because the Saviour is Divine, He is God. Yesus is God. This is the thing that connects Christafari, Messian Dread, Gadman of the 12 Tribes, and many others, who might be so different in other things.

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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2002 23:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now see..THIS IS what is funny to me. You do not wish to discuss ganja because you are tuchy on it. I said i did not want to discuss the unitarian vs. trintarian thing here cause I am tuchy on that. But it seems what i am tuchy on does not matter. It only seems to matter what you are tuchy on. In the beginning I tried to discuss ganja HERE on THIS site because I know that Chrisrafari agrees and YOu do NOT. Then when i first went on your site I tried to discuus how I felt that 12 Tribe and Protestants do NOT agree on how the Kingdom will come.., i put THIS on YOUR site BECAUSE it tries to reason BOTH Rasta AND Christianites..rather than place THAT topic here since this is a Protestant site. But then YOU came OVER HERE to defend the ganja topic..which naturally was your free choice to do...Thirdly NEITHER of these topics I started HERE on on YOUR site tagged ANYONE CULT" neither for smoking ganja nor for being Protestant nor for being Rastas nor for being triniatarian nor for being unitarian. But, for some reason you took BOTH my topics both HERE and on your site and turned them into all being about if one is not trinitarian then they are a "CULT". I really don't know why the reason..unless you simply wanted to detour attention away from the ganja issue of which you are tuchy...but in this case...you should not have come here then. Next, I think you got angry when I bought up in my thread on your site that 12 Tribe does NOT agree with Protestants on hell being an actual eternal fireplace and that they reject the rapture. The logical thing that should have been done...if you thought I was wrong on 12 Tribe rejecting hell and rapture..is to simply ASKED 'THEM'..but instead you directed anger at me. Why? 'If' you HAD ASKED 12 Tribe about hell and rapture and THEN they HAD confirmed me wrong..THEN it would make sense that you would be disturbed me with...But..you did NOT ask then...and I am started to think that the reason you are mad about this and the reason why you are affraid to ask 12 tribe this is becuase you fear that i might be right that Protestant and 12 tribe do NOT agree bibically on rapture and hell and then 'if' this were the case you'd have to go and re-think they way you compare 12 tribe and your Protestant beliefs...
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PostPosted: 01 Aug 2002 00:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings,

yes, complicated matters. Perhaps we should stop the issue here then. Just want to say I'm not "defending the ganja issue". Ganja is the topic, but I am talking about the principal that you propose. It could be about ganja, it could also be about let's say gossiping.

The principal is: A Christian fights against sin in him life, but he needs to fight it in the Name of Yesus or he will fail. If I fight against sins in my life, I can only do this from my identity in Jah, and I know that for most Christians this is the same.




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PostPosted: 08 Sep 2002 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to bring this up again because in viewing the various posts I see how this is a continual point.

There is obviously a great divide between those who smoke and those who don't, regardless of whether they are Christian or not. As a person who used to smoke I've heard all the arguments, medicinal, recreational whatever have you and have come to a simple conclusions:

1)TO SMOKE anything is unhealthy. God calls us to lead a healthy life. Live it. Live your life anyway you so choose. I don't really differenciate if you drink alcohol, chew tobacco or smoke weed. They are all PRIMARILY unhealthy. If you so choose to, then that's all you.

2)Spiritual upliftment. I don't believe that God requires one person to smoke weed as a sacrament, (just as we don't all adhere to many other sacraments such as marriage) for spiritual upliftment. "Spiritual Upliftment" is such a broad term. One does not need to perform any laborous duty to achieve spiritual upliftment, such as hiking to the himalayas, or becoming vegan. All of these things may help some people in THEIR INDIVIDUAL search. Getting high remains to be an individual's choice, not God's choice. It is true that in all my own spiritual journeys (and other testimonies from MANY of my old smoking buddies) that smoking herb and me quitting herb all led to deeper spiritual connection with God. But it was not God's will that I smoked, but MY OWN. I think this is the focal point.

For dogmatic Christians who are quick to downplay herb without actually knowing about it, there is a lack of certain intelligence, but their life choices are no better than the herb smoker. We all sin and come short. None of us should be in a position to judge another. An over zealous pastor who is too focused on his church is as well doing his own will and not God's.

Here is where the controversy lies. All those who smoke herb and claim to KNOW Jesus Christ as their personal lord and saviour and accept him as such in their life, I challenge you to examine how your life would be without it.

The essence of my point applies to everyone, smoker and non-smoker alike. What is the idol in your life that you think you can't live without? For some it may be music, or a favorite hobby, for others it may even be the very act of going to church, or smoking herb. What are the important things in your life that deals directly with your salvation and GOD'S WILL for your life?

PS: In all of my posts I do not feel as if I am wizer than anyone else, or hold the truth behind all things. My experiences with Rasta, and Christianity are similar to many of you here and I'm offering my own opinion as Jah guides me.
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PostPosted: 08 Sep 2002 20:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote: "There is obviously a great divide between those who smoke and those who don't, regardless of whether they are Christian or not."

And, what do you think about that? Is that a thing to strengthen and what use would it have, especially within the context of the last part of your sentence?

Besides, I do not agree with you. There is a difference in opinnion whether one can smoke/use it or not. Not with smokers and non-smokers. You have not adressed "all" the topics, especially nmot since there is a big vatriety of opinnions about herb. Sorry, but this is a fact.

But my essence, a bit challening: I think, to draw a schism between Christians, who would do a thing like that?

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PostPosted: 08 Sep 2002 22:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

The differences between Christians who smoke and do not doesn't draw away from my main point which is doing our own will vs. what God would have us do. My point in my opening statement was to say that one says no while the other says yes.
For instance, I am a Christian, and I smoked for a few years. I used to think that I needed herb for my Christian Growth. God has shown me that isn't so. Smoking herb does not make you any closer to God. It doesn't make me "un-christian" either. A Pastor and a garbage man can have the same relationship with God. If smoking herb brings you closer then everyone should do it, just like prayer and devotion, and some people believe that, which I don't.

I don't think I understand when you said there is a difference between who can and cannot smoke. Anyone can smoke if they so choose.

No, I don't adress many topics of smoking here, but do so in my website. I am drawing on one aspect of smoking which is WHY we make choices in our lives and how it affects our salvation. I think it is one of the more important aspects, because I am truly concerned with salvation and not the various uses of herb. Perhaps I didn't understand your disagreements. Please elaborate.

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You know, this discussion will probably continue on, but I would like to quote this from what you [Messian Dread] Said earlier:

"The principal is: A Christian fights against sin in him life, but he needs to fight it in the Name of Yesus or he will fail. If I fight against sins in my life, I can only do this from my identity in Jah, and I know that for most Christians this is the same."

This should a part of all our prayers!

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