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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 13:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice way to point a seeker towards Christ, Jetze. You could have just allowed this person to see the Savior but no you had t o inject venom over your hatred of the people here. This is now your point of coming? To steer people away from Christ?

Before I read this topic I replied to his other posting with out mentioned any thing negative about Rasta in one way or the other. I merely pointed him towards Selassie's teaching on the subject.

Now tell me again about how you are out for Christ's Kingdom...

This has become so shallow and transparent, that the intentions of Babylon are showing themselves for sure. For example since your essay at least one Rasta says that he will no longer be posting here. Please explain to me how that helps the dialogue between Rastas and Christians.

Jetze, well done, I hope that the Kingdom is served well by your efforts.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 16:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not recall to have written something to someone who did not have found Christ allready.

This brother is asking why Christafarians (not Christians) put so much effort in denying every righteous and spiritual aspect of Selassie and before you start denying this happens I recall that I am summarizing the brothers words not stating my opinnion.

I am not proselyting Christians into Christafarians. I do not think that what you call "forwarding the Kingdom" or "leading people to Christ" so to speak is neccesatrily what is going on everytime a Christafarian talks to a Rastafarian. I think there is an attempt into making Christian Rastafarians into Christafarians. How otherwise should I intepretate the efforts to proselyte a Christian Rastafarian, or perhaps not even a Rastafarian, but "just" a Christian?

I'm not saying a Christafarian can not be a Christian and I am not saying a Rastafarian can not be a Christian. By trying to tell this to the Christafarians (because the Rastafarians allready know this) I am indeed forwarding the Kingdom of Christ for I am trying to unify Christians.


You say at at least one Rasta doesn't post here anymore and you ask how that is for the communication between Rastafari and Christianity and I say to that that there are many places where this communication is allready done.

Ofcourse you become angry and ofcourse you are starting to see that people actually read the essay and act accordingle, although I do not think I am the one who steered him away from ChristAFARI WEBSITE.

And you'tre probably gonna ban this dissident called messian dread for being obstructive to the kingdom of christ, but this is not about Christianity and Rastafari, this is about Christafarianism which calls Christian Rastas deceivers in public yet in private admits that it is a misrepresentation of this Rastafrians faith.

And because Christafari explains every critique as an attack on Christianity (just like you do here) where it is most of the time a critique on Christafarianmism and often comes from brother Christians, it becomes a bit irritating when this is exposed all the time.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 19:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is no longer about anything other than your own hate.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 19:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings once again.
First of all I would like to say that I am not a brother or brethren, I am a sista. Zauditu Sisay Abaynesh means "She is the crown, a blessing, like the river Nile being generous in life". No harm done, I just wanted to clear that up.
Secondly, I must say that I am very disappointed to see that this has become a battle between Christian, Rastafarians, and the so called "Christafarians" Whereas I do agree with MD that it is a shame and is ignorant for the Christafari to publically diss the Rasta but then secretly emrace the spiritual teaching, I do also agree that we all need to be united, as was the efforts of Selassie I. Sometimes I do not know what to call myself, because if I do embrace Rasta spirituality, I am condemned by Christians, but am not Christafari at the same time because I openly acknowledge the spirituality of the Rasta while still Hailing Christ as the Son of God, my savior (as did Selassie I). I mean that I think Christians can learn alot from the dedication, sacrafice, and humbleness of Rastafarians. They are true to JAH and are true to thier worship. I admire their simplicity and rejection of all that is unrighteous, not compromising their inheritance or destiny as is so prevelant in the Christian churches. However, I also feel that because they have been oppressed by the church and by society, that they strive to seperate themselves. Why is it that we cannot all come together and recognize Christ as the Son, Selassie as a great spiritual leader (one endowed with the spirit of Jah), and Jah himself as the Almighty and Everlasting. the titles King of Kings and Lion of Judah etc, have been given to Christ yes, but also it must be recognized that these titles were given to the ruling and most respected and revered earthly kings of the time that they reigned. In other words, Jesus was called King of Kings because they mocked him by calling Him a king and he was the most revered at that time and was set high as the King of all Kings, to mean that He had gained the attention and reverance of the world more than Rome (who was the great power of the world during Christ's lifetime, and after the fall of Egpyt). So Christians do need to stop condemning Rasta for giving those titles and all spiritual reverance to Selassie (as they do also need to stop denying and stealing the rightful place of black people on a whole, whih I think is why the church has a problem with the whole "Selassie I being spiritual" thing anyway), as some Rases need to stop, taking the title King of Kings to mean that Selassie is GOD (his remains not being found could possibly be not because he was GOD but because it is an attempt to eventually erase him from history, as the church and in record of the King James version of the Bible attempts to do with the tribe of Judah and the Benjaminites which means "sons of the south" and thus Africa. I mean history has proven the long term effects of the church wiping black people completely off the record if they did anything good and/or powerful). To think that that title is just designated for GOD is to think like Babylon; For throughout history, that title has been designated for the earthly king who has the whole world at his feet, or who is adored by the world. Therefore, I think as Selassie himself thought, for even though he left the education and advancement of women behind, I do embrace the belief that spirituality should not be mistaken to mean religion. Religion is the system, whereas spirituality is the relationship with the Amighty --- it is the very fabric of one's soul and it is this spirituality that I embrace and use to elivate myself to be joined with JAH. Shouldn't we all come togehter and do the same? Stop worrying about the labels that we give ourselves, and realize that in the end, the only thing that matters is that we love and serve JAH, through Christ (as examplified by Selassie I and his Empress), since Christ is the reason we are even allowed to have a personal one-to-one relationship with JAH again in the first place. So we all know that we do have differences, we need to get pass that. For in our focus on these difference, we have taken the focus of of who it really should be on, THE ALMIGHTY and I AM!
Selah and Jah Bless!
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 20:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings Sistren,

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Why is it that we cannot all come together and recognize Christ as the Son, Selassie as a great spiritual leader (one endowed with the spirit of Jah), and Jah himself as the Almighty and Everlasting.


Because of Christafarianism which does not allow evangelical christians to do so.


Bill, My two questions to you are:

-1- Are there Rastafarians who do not believe Selassie to be Jah and who do believe in Yesus Kristos as their Lord and Savior?

-2- If the answer is no, then you know the many arguments including Mohr's admittance on this forum and in private email.

If the answer is yes, then my question is why do you work for an organization that claims Rastafarian Christians are deceivers and defend it, claiming that critique at Christafari is an attack against Christianity where it is proven that even the most extreme enemies of Christsfari do not even want to touch Christ but they also point out to Christafarianism as the reason for their extreme hostility?

I know you will not answer these questions. But your heart allready has.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 21:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have answered your questions in the other place that you posted them.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 21:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is it that we cannot all come together and recognize Christ as the Son, Selassie as a great spiritual leader (one endowed with the spirit of Jah), and Jah himself as the Almighty and Everlasting.


Because of Christafarianism which does not allow evangelical christians to do so.




MD, are you sure that Christafari has a problem with believing Christ as the Son, Jah himself as the Almighty, and besides that, Selassie as a great spiritual leader?

I don't think they have a problem with this. So: the way you describe Christafari(anism), is it really true?

I don't have a problem with this, although you think I have and you have allready condemned me about this. And then you claim that I don't overstand you. But do you overstand me, and do you overstand Christafari? Because some things you say give the impression that you don't, while you claim that you do. Seen?
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 22:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zauditu_Sisay_Abaynesh

Sister, thank you for clearing the gender meaning for us. I agree with much of your post. Alot of that you had to say regarding the condemnation of folks is very timely. Please understand that the discussions here are not Christian vs. Rasta. And really that is exactly why I am so upset with this current situation. For me, it has never been about trying to fool people, condemn people, look down on people, or be hypocritical in my approach towards people. I would just like to see Christ lifted up! Period. If that became the point, then the debates would cease. Why? Christ said that if I am lifted up then all men will be drawn to me. That is all that I want. I am a Christian. Not Christafarian as MD talks about. I do not have Dreads. I do not go around using Iharic, or any of the other such things as a means to fit in etc. I am no Wolf in Sheeps Clothing. I have studied MUCH about Rasta faith and culture, and I too have much respect for much of their faith and lifestyle. I too see much that is off kilter in the Modern Church that needs correction.

A Rasta Sister once told me that I was trying to take away Rasta from her, and I told her that I was by no means looking to take anything from her, but rather that I was desiring to give her something instead. That is knowledge and a relationship with the same Christ that Selassie talked about. That is it for me. I am not about trying to tell people that they are on their way to hell either. God says that the goodness of God leads to repentance. I want to offer goodness.

No hypocracy, no two faced approach. Just godliness, and Christ.
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