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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 05:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Ire", can you tell me what made you realize that Selassie is a great spiritual leader annointed by the Holy Spirit and can you tell me what makes him such a spritual leader?

Bill, I made my points in the other thread.
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 09:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blaminack,
Greetings! All I really have to say is AMEN! through Christ we are told that we are elivated to reach the spiritual heights of the Almighty, and that is all that each one of us should desire. Obviously we are hungry for spiritual fulfillment, because if we weren't than we would not be here in this forum. What I do not understand is why so much emphasis is put on the name that we call ourselves (whether it be Rasta, Christain, or Christafari). (Sigh) When will we see that it is Babylon system that makes these categories and makes us slaves and targets of judgement (ie Babylon calling Rases beautiful, majestice, and enchanting locs DREADS. Nothing dreadful about them, JAH HIMSELF told His people to wear them as a symbol of their heritage and destiny) to which ever one we choose to fall in to? Humanity has evolved to have a inquenchable lust for putting things and people into categories so that they can judge them by their name --- "if it is just me and JAH existing as one, then who can judge me?" Call me nothing more or nothing less than an earthly Empress (walking upright and gentle in spirit amungst my beloved brethren and hopefully one day my spiritual half that JAH has fashioned me from. While also Elevating the healing, consciousness, and respect within my sistren).
Call me nothing more or anything less than Zion's daughter.
Selah and JAH Bless!
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 11:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Ire", can you tell me what made you realize that Selassie is a great spiritual leader annointed by the Holy Spirit and can you tell me what makes him such a spritual leader?


That's NOT the point. The point is that you claim that I (and others) are not capable of seeing that there are rasta's that believe in Yeshua and at the same time do not believe that selassie is God, but IS of spiritual significance. But others and I DO see this and know this. So it is not right and not true that you accuse us of these things.

And the point here is that I don't have a problem with the fact that people see Selassie as a godly and anointed man, and at the same time believe Christ to be the Son and Jah the Almighty.

So now you want to know what made me see the spiritual significance of Selassie? Not the point! I said that I don't have a problem with people who do, and up till a certain point I myself have no problem with it. But that's not the point. The point is that you acusse certain people of things they are NOT guilty of. And that is serious.
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 16:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zauditu_Sisay_Abaynesh wrote:
Why is it that we cannot all come together and recognize Christ as the Son, Selassie as a great spiritual leader (one endowed with the spirit of Jah), and Jah himself as the Almighty and Everlasting.


http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334e040000c90095/Should+Christians+call+themselves+%22Rastas%3F%22.html wrote:
I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta."


Irie-in-Christ wrote:
are you sure that Christafari has a problem with believing Christ as the Son, Jah himself as the Almighty, and besides that, Selassie as a great spiritual leader?

I don't think they have a problem with this.

http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334e040000c90095/Should+Christians+call+themselves+%22Rastas%3F%22.html wrote:
I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta."


So: the way you describe Christafari(anism), is it really true?

http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334e040000c90095/Should+Christians+call+themselves+%22Rastas%3F%22.html wrote:
I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta."


I don't have a problem with this, although you think I have


Messian Dread wrote:
"Ire", can you tell me what made you realize that Selassie is a great spiritual leader annointed by the Holy Spirit and can you tell me what makes him such a spritual leader?



Irie-in-Christ wrote:
That's NOT the point.




Irie-in-Christ wrote:
I don't have a problem with this, although you think I have

Irie-in-Christ wrote:
That's NOT the point.




Irie-in-Christ wrote:
The point is that you claim that I (and others) are not capable of seeing that there are rasta's that believe in Yeshua and at the same time do not believe that selassie is God, but IS of spiritual significance. But others and I DO see this and know this. So it is not right and not true that you accuse us of these things.



http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334e040000c90095/Should+Christians+call+themselves+%22Rastas%3F%22.html wrote:
I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta."



Do you realize that Selassie is a great spiritual leader annointed by the Holy Spirit and can you tell me what makes him such a spritual leader?

You wonder why I don't see that people who call Rastafarian Christian deceivers Christians?

http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/78da334e040000c90095/Should+Christians+call+themselves+%22Rastas%3F%22.html wrote:
I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta."


Now when you say that you say something different how come I never see you doing so and that is why I ask Do you realize that Selassie is a great spiritual leader annointed by the Holy Spirit and can you tell me what makes him such a spritual leader?
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 19:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zauditu_Sisay_Abaynesh wrote:
I mean that I think Christians can learn alot from the dedication, sacrafice, and humbleness of Rastafarians.... I admire their simplicity and rejection of all that is unrighteous, not compromising their inheritance or destiny as is so prevelant in the Christian churches.


I am a Christian, and I agree wholeheartedly.

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Why is it that we cannot all come together and recognize Christ as the Son, Selassie as a great spiritual leader (one endowed with the spirit of Jah), and Jah himself as the Almighty and Everlasting.


There are many Christians and Rastas who already agree on this. I am a very traditional Christian, imbibing the nourishment of ancient Christian roots, and I consider his imperial majesty a great man of God. I have no qualms, as some Christians would, asking Emperor Haile Selassie to pray for me, for example.

But there seem to be other Christians who do not recognize Selassie as a great spiritual leader, and other Rastas who do not seem to acknowledge the unique and eternal Sonship of Christ. We shall see.

Sometimes the disagreements here on the forum are bad fights, but other times I think they are good lively discussion. Stick around, sister, and help us all to improve the conversation!

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Religion is the system, whereas spirituality is the relationship with the Amighty


I personally disagree with this very popular distinction. There is no spirituality without religion, and no religion without spirituality. The word "religion" has the same root as "rely." Originally it means to "bind fast," i.e. to bind oneself to God and not be separated. In other words, "religion" is about relationship.
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 20:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

MD, your quote: "I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta"

When Mark says this, it doesn't mean that he has a difficulty with people that see spiritual significance in selassie, and at the same time believe in Jesus as the Son and Jah as the Almighty. So what's your point????

You whole last post doesn't make any sense. You isolate certain things that have been said. What about this one from Mark (that I don't hear you about):

"Well the way that I see it, Christians and Rastas come in agreement in a lot of areas, as do Christians and Mormons, Jehovah witnesses and Catholics. But those are usually the minor issues. The foundation, or roots of any religion usually consists of the answer to the following question: "Who is God?"
Christians believe (albeit in a Triune God) that Christ is Lord. Many (not all) rastas agree with the doctrinal statement of the "Ethiopian World Federation," "We now declare again H.I.M. Haile Selassie is Christ the Son, Jehovah the Father united through the Spirit to bring to man the fullness of the Holy Trinity."

I once heard of a place called the "Temple of a thousand Buddhas". You can actually go there and choose the type of God whom you worship. Similar to this are the various beliefs that Rastas hold towards Selassie. In this faith there are different degrees of divinity attributed to Rastafari by his followers. Given this lack of structure, you can literally choose which type of godhead you serve. And there is a surprisingly great amount of tolerance amongst Rastas that hold contrasting opinions regarding this matter. Here are a few of the views on Selassie that I have come across in meeting with Rastafarians over the past 15 years:

1. He is God Almighty, the Father seated on His Throne).

2. He is Christ in His second advent.

3. He is Christ in the 1 & 1/2 coming, but has not returned for His second coming yet.

4. He is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

5. He is literally Christ in His kingly character. A Kingly representation of the Jesus found in the scriptures.

6. He is a representation of Christ in His kingly character. He is not God, but is Christ-like in his role of king, similar to king David and Solomon. "The Spirit of Jesus Christ is manifest in the person of Haile Selassie I".

7. He is a godly man who has God inside of him the same way that all believers do; through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He is not God.

8. He is a great prophet and should be revered as such.

9. He is a venerated saint that can be prayed to, but is not the Almighty God. He is a representative of Christ and a mediator between God and man.

The former nine different belief systems do not even begin to represent the fragmented faith of Rastafari and don't even scratch the doctine of other sects such as the Bobo Shantis. There is no united front, no agreed upon doctrinal statement. I guess that given this knotted up ball of string, when I say "Rastafarian," I am usually thinking of the Ethiopian World Union's Definition, while keeping in mind that there are twelve tribers and others like yourself that differ in views.

Again, I love Rastas, and mean no disrespect--My whole desire is for others to see Christ as the Bible clearly portrays Him--Lord of all"

http://www.lionofzion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2017

But you give, by your essay and by your posts, people the impression that Mark (and me too for that matter) don't know that there are different houses within rastafari.

Again: you judge people of things which are not completely true. You isolate certain quotes, without mentioning for example the words above. By this you give people a wrong overstanding.

And again, we were talking about having or not having a problem with some spiritual significance of selassie, besides Jesus and the Almighty. So you're missing the point, no matter how much you try to deny this.
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 20:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonagus,
Greetings! Religion comes from the root word to "bind to", as in to bind to ones beliefs and practices, not to bind to GOD. There are many "religions" out there that do not even acknowledge GOD, but beause they do not, no one can say that they are not a religion. Even what as become to be known as Voodoo is classified as a religion ( though subclassified as a cult). A better example: Rasta's generally are not sen as Christians, and Christians certainly are not seen as Rasta's. In the end, they both serve the same JAH, but are classified as two distinct religions. therefore, if your definition of religion was to stand, then they would be categorized to be under the same religion (which we all know, they are not).
It is funny that this came up though, because some Christians believe that Christianity is the only religion that truly exists, when it is not so. I was just discussing this same subject with a friend a few weeks ago.
However, I do agree that one uses their religion to usher in a spiritual relationship with whatever higherbeing they worship; the problem is that it sometimes distracts focus away from this same relationship because people get caught up on what is the right and wrong way to do things. This is why there are so many different denominations in the church and so many different practices even among Rases. So in the end it is who you are worshiping and the strength of your spiritual relationship that counts. that's all I am trying to say.
Directed to all : On another note, thanks for all of the knowledge and love that I have been shown in this forum thus far. I am sure that if I stay long enough I will put forth some things that will be debated and/or proven wrong. But that is ok, I am here to learn, besides, the Bible does instruct us to not argue over things, but to enlighten one another. So please, I ask all not to take it to heart if I respectfully disagree at times; And if I am truly wrong, I humbly request that all help to open my eyes that I may see.

Selah and JAH Bless!



Oh wait! I have another question. If many Christians believe that Christ was there even in the beginning, and they believe him to apear many time in the old Testiment before he appeared on earth as a man, then why would there be a problem with them believing that He can do they same today? Did He say somewhere that He ( Christ) will no longer be doing that? If He did not, then could it be possible that Selassie is Christ reincarnate (a fleshly being , not in all of His glory, so that we can physically see the menifestation of His Spirit)? I myself need much direction on this and would like to hear what all think because this requires deep meditation for me and I would therefore like to have much to ponder.

Until we comune again,
Your sister
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 20:40    Post subject: A bit off of the topic Reply with quote

Greetigs again,
I would just like for all to keep me in their prayers and meditations for I am suffering from some serious sinus headaches. The weather is changing and becoming cold, and since I am from Bermuda which has a tropical climate, my head does not know how to deal with the cold weather and much pressure and fluid builds up. I do not like to take chemical medications, but I do firmly believe in prayer. Also, if any may know of herb(s) that may help, it would be greatly appreciated.

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