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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 20:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irie-in-Christ wrote:
I once heard of a place called the "Temple of a thousand Buddhas". You can actually go there and choose the type of God whom you worship.


Just for clarification, as before: Buddhists do not worship the Buddha in the same sense that Christians adore the holy Trinity, because the Buddha told his disciples to follow his teaching rather than himself. Buddhas and bodhisattvas are highly revered in some forms of Buddhism, but they are not regarded as gods in the same sense that we Christians adore YHWH.

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The former nine different belief systems do not even begin to represent the fragmented faith of Rastafari


I think it is probably a mistake to regard, treat, or speak about Rastafari as a single, unified religion. Clearly different Rastas have different doctrines.

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I guess that given this knotted up ball of string, when I say "Rastafarian," I am usually thinking of the Ethiopian World Union's Definition, while keeping in mind that there are twelve tribers and others like yourself that differ in views.


I hope you will forgive me saying that I don't think that's really good enough, with clarity and justice at stake. Other people won't know that when you say "Rastafarian," you are usually thinking of the Ethiopian World Union's Definition, while keeping in mind that there are other Rasta groups. They will not know what you mean unless you tell them.

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But you give, by your essay and by your posts, people the impression that Mark (and me too for that matter) don't know that there are different houses within rastafari.


Apparently Mohr gives people that impression himself. Many Rastas have told us so.
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 23:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh wait! I have another question. If many Christians believe that Christ was there even in the beginning, and they believe him to apear many time in the old Testiment before he appeared on earth as a man, then why would there be a problem with them believing that He can do they same today? Did He say somewhere that He ( Christ) will no longer be doing that? If He did not, then could it be possible that Selassie is Christ reincarnate (a fleshly being , not in all of His glory, so that we can physically see the menifestation of His Spirit)? I myself need much direction on this and would like to hear what all think because this requires deep meditation for me and I would therefore like to have much to ponder.


I know of no Scripture that would indicate such an event, on the other hand we know that God is sovreign and such a thing would not be out of His power. I firmly believe that after Christ came the revelation of what God was going to do until His return has been fully shown in Scripture. Consider this verse...

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 00:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zauditu_Sisay_Abaynesh wrote:
Religion comes from the root word to "bind to", as in to bind to ones beliefs and practices, not to bind to GOD.


No, in the case of religions which believe in a personal God (e.g. Judaism, Christianity, some forms of Hinduism, etc.) it the god(s) to which the people consider themselves bound. The doctrines, practices, and ways of worship are regarded as the ties that bind the relationship, not the subject to whom they are bound.

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There are many "religions" out there that do not even acknowledge GOD, but beause they do not, no one can say that they are not a religion.


Actually, this point is disputed among theologians and philosophers all the time. Is Taoism a religion or a philosophy? Buddhism? Atheism? Etc.

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Rasta's generally are not sen as Christians, and Christians certainly are not seen as Rasta's.


This is a bit too black-and-white, given the ongoing discussion here. I would say that many Rastas are Christians.

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In the end, they both serve the same JAH, but are classified as two distinct religions.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

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some Christians believe that Christianity is the only religion that truly exists


I cannot even imagine what they might mean by that!

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So in the end it is who you are worshiping and the strength of your spiritual relationship that counts.


I would suggest that how you worship also matters. After all, it cannot be good to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, no matter how fervent your intentions, with the gift of child sacrifice. YHWH just isn't down with that. So how is also important with who and how much

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I am sure that if I stay long enough I will put forth some things that will be debated and/or proven wrong.


The same goes for all of us, of course. Welcome, sister. We want you here, even when we all disagree among ourselves.

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I ask all not to take it to heart if I respectfully disagree at times


I assure you I will not take it personally. I hope you will not either.

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If many Christians believe that Christ was there even in the beginning, and they believe him to apear many time in the old Testiment before he appeared on earth as a man, then why would there be a problem with them believing that He can do they same today?


Actually, I do believe that Y'shua "appears" to some people from time to time and in various ways, much like he appeared to Sha'ul (Paul) on the road to Damascus.

But because Y'shua, the Word of God, has already appeared among us and established his people, we await no further public revelation. Jah has already revealed himself through his Incarnation.

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could it be possible that Selassie is Christ reincarnate


Y'shua will return as he left (Acts 1:11), and every eye will see him (Revelation 1:7). Y'shua is already incarnate, having a resurrected and glorified human body. If his body is separated from him, he is no longer alive, but dead. Christians cannot accept that: He is risen. So there will be no "reincarnation."

Furthermore, his imperial majesty Haile Selassie clearly called Y'shua his "Creator." The blessed emperor is, like you and me, a creature, not Jah.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 00:40    Post subject: Re: A bit off of the topic Reply with quote

Zauditu_Sisay_Abaynesh wrote:
I would just like for all to keep me in their prayers and meditations for I am suffering from some serious sinus headaches.


As someone with bad sinuses, I can sympathize, sister. I will pray for you. But remember the good words of the scripture:

"Hold the physician in honor, for he is essential to you, and God it was who established his profession. From God the doctor has his wisdom... His knowledge makes the doctor distinguished, and gives him access to those in authority. God makes the earth yield healing herbs which the prudent man should not neglect; Was not the water sweetened by a twig that men might learn his power? He endows men with the knowledge to glory in his mighty works, through which the doctor eases pain and the druggist prepares his medicines; thus God's creative work continues without cease in its efficacy on the surface of the earth. My son, when you are ill, delay not, but pray to God, who will heal you: Flee wickedness; let your hands be just, cleanse your heart of every sin; Offer your sweet-smelling oblation and petition, a rich offering according to your means. Then give the doctor his place lest he leave; for you need him too. There are times that give him an advantage, and he too beseeches God that his diagnosis may be correct and his treatment bring about a cure. He who is a sinner toward his Maker will be defiant toward the doctor." (Sirach 38:1-15)
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 01:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that when you one time more tells me you are not a Christafarian where all you do is defending "Mark" I am really going to ignore you for the rest of my life. Which I am about to anyway.

You are seriously confused, so focused on getting your point through, and what is your point? "don't tease each other".

As I told you in private, you didn't care and you go now further stalking me in public, with your quest for correctness.

All you do is posting "can selassie forgive sins?" and "is selassie good or bad" and that is about all you can say about Selassie. If I ask you what spiritual significance YOU see in Rastafari, for you use the colours of RASTAFARI and YESEHAQ's name where your "teaching" is contrary to everything Yesehaq and the African Tricolour stands for, you say that that is not the point.

Indeed.

You havbe no point in that.

Yet you steal Rastafarian cultural expressions, just like all the Christafarians, it looks nice huh? Exotic....



Irie-in-Christ wrote:
MD, your quote: "I do believe that it is seriously misleading for a Christian to call themselves a "Rasta"

When Mark says this, it doesn't mean that he has a difficulty with people that see spiritual significance in selassie, and at the same time believe in Jesus as the Son and Jah as the Almighty. So what's your point????


My point is that you are defending Mark Mohr with a lie. My point is that Mark Mohr denies that there are Christian Rastafarians because he says it is misleading for a Christian to call himself a Rasta. Is it misleading for a Rastafarian Christian to call himself a Rasta? Is it misleading for a Plestinian Christian to call himself a Palestinian? Now when you do not understand this you are lozt.

But because of your constantly stalking me (very inpolite) I think you prefectly understand what I mean and you only want to make me mad. So I am going to ignore you, regardless of what you say.

You can shout whatever you want, defend Mark Mohr as much as you want, feel "irie in christafarianism" as much as you want, use the name of people whose teaching you do not even know ass much as you want, wreite me everytime a Rasta attacks you with questions how that can be as much as you want, I wanted you moinths ago for things happening with you and for your very eyes and all you want to do is get the point.

Here is my point.

I think that the fact that your faith because of your behaviour has become a public mockery within some Rastafarian circles is a discgrace for the Gospel of Kristos.

But go ahead, feel correct. You've lozt me.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 05:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonasgus,
Personally I think that it is more than a bit arrogant for theologens to say that if there is no worship of GOD then it is not a religion. The very definition of a religion is "1a. Belief and reverance for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator or govenor of the universe. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief."

So as I said before, it is the system by which you may gain the spiritual relationship. BUT It is often used as a means of enslavement, brutality, and condemnation towards others (and even people within the system).
And I know that some Rases are seen as Christians and that is why I used the word generally in my statement, and maybe I just have to wait and experience more, but I know of no Christians that would call themsleves Rasta.

I also do belive that it is how you worship that counts. JAH himself set the guidlines for wha tis and is not accepted. But why I say that it in the end it is the strength of the spiritual relationship that counts, is because if the relationship is strong, then JAH will guide you as to how to worship. So, with added strength comes more wisdom on how to worship. Furthermore, if you have a relationship with HIM your spirits are connected and thus, HE moves you in a way of acceptable worship and adoration. that's one of the things I love most about HIM. He has accepted me as HIS own and has blessed me with the down-pouring of HIS Spirit. I have sinned, and at times still do fall into sin, but of one thing I am sure --- there is NO BETTER feeling or satisfaction than the move of HIS Spirit.

Til' we comune again, Selah and JAH Bless
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 05:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also Jonasgus and everyone else, I have nothing against doctors, but I am sure that you are aware of all of the bad politicing, curruption, and tings that are going on with physicians and the drug companies. So, it is wise to step back and take heed of what they are saying and the care that they are giving you.
Did you hear about the 40 pharmaceutical companies that gives the primary source of medication to AIDS patients. Well, they filed a lwsuit against the government of South Africa because, under the leadership of Nelson Mandela, they allowed generic forms of their drugs to treat their people because they could not afford the expensive drugs. Well, dem all did a chat some passa passa ting bout how they were fighting for "intellectual property rights" since it was their scientists that made the medications and they are the ones who sign their paychecks. REDICULOUS!!!!!!! How someone is going to patent life-sustaining and life-saving medications, so that no one else can produce them, and if one cannot afford them they die!!!!!!!!! I am sure that JAH did not give them the guidance and power to do them type of things to people! Kuyah, that's why Rasta rightfully a chant sey we fi "BUN DOWN BABYLON"

JAH Bless
ps sorry of the inserts of patio. I slip up like that whnever I get upset.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 07:00    Post subject: enough Reply with quote

MD, it is clear now for me: when someone else criticizes you (or believes of certain rastafarians), they are so wrong and their only motive is a quest for their own right. But when you have your quest and criticize others, then it is all ok. I know enough.
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