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Irie-in-Christ
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 15:24    Post subject: MD Reply with quote

MD, I agree that we should disagree when necessary. I'm about to leave my pentacostle church, because there is no room at all for criticism. There is manipulation all over the place, and just yesterday the pastor told me he had a revelation that I can not be saved anymore.

I've questioned authority! And I agree with you that people have to keep on thinking. That's why it gets to me when you say (onesided) that in general Christians love to obey authority (and you make it sound negative). I am a Christian, but I don't want to be put in the corner by you or others, as wannabee christians that are ignorant and only want to obey authorities blindly.

I can go with you a long way and I respect the work that you are doing, but as I've made clear, I think sometimes you speak onesided and generalize too much. I can understand that you are frustated by some things, really I can. But in your reaction, maybe you are overreacting?

I questioned your humbleness when you were criticising, but you were right: to criticize doesn't mean that you one is not humble. Although the danger always stays that in our discussion we become too sharp, if you know what I mean (this also goes for me).

But as it is your right to question Christafarianism, it is mine to question Messian Dreadism I am learning from you and your posts on this forum, your itations and your website. But I think at some points you are not right.

And about the school where I teach: don't worry, the kids love me there
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 16:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-exactly how intelligent is it to claim that when Jesus is called the Lion of Judah, to see in this a comparing to Ethiopian Emperors?


there is one verse in the entire I-ble that even holds deh term of deh Lion of Judah and it does not specify who deh LOJ is, except that He shall be deh root of David. rev.5:5
we den forward to deh end of revelation in 22:16 where Emmanuel tells Ini dat it is he that is deh root of David and deh offspring.
who else has stood up to deh world in modern times and proclaimed dis heritage to deh world with no contrdictory eveidence to counter it?

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and how intelligent is it to claim with certainty that Selassie and other emperors are true descendants of king Solomon?

Irie in Christ, you have got to be kidding! Emmanuel said Ini can tell a tree by deh fruit it bears, so when Ini view Haile Selassie I as deh Power of the Holy Trinity in flesh all Ini see is "international morality and justice."
if you have really studied Haile Selassie I, then you would have read about deh numerous accounts of non-be"lie"vers in His divinity speaking of deh inability to look H.I.M. in deh eyes directly, deh power he held when in His immediate prescence and His ability to know what ones are thinking before speaking. these accounts are from non-Rases who were either native born Ethiopians or international statesmen and women who just simply beheld a power beyond them and just told deh truth as it happened.

Ini will end here but again Ini will pose deh question to all 1st advent Christians except for MD, because Ini already know his answer how will ones know when Christ returns according to scripture?
Hail H.I.M.inperfectlove
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 19:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irie-in-X-rist
in another X-ristafarian forum you wrote:->
Scientists and historians are not agreeing on the fact that Haile Selassie (and others in Ethiopia) are descendants from the line of Judah, David and Solomon. There is too much information lacking and a lot of caps. No one can say with certainty that this is a fact. That's the truth.

I would like to ask???? ???????
CAN THE SAME HISTORIANS/ SCIENTISTS PROOF THAT THE PRESENT DAY JEWS ARE THE REAL DEAL OR JUST CONVERTS & RUSSIANS FLEEING HARDSHIPS OR IS IT ANOTHER BABY WRONGIA VEX MANY OF YOU FOOT SOLDIERS HAIL UP???? ?????

QEDAMAWE BLESS!!!
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 21:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

My good fellow warthog, my answer would be: yes, they can
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 21:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irie-in X-rist

SO THEY ARE CAUSING ALL THIS HAVOC IN THE MIDDLE EAST & THEY MIGHT BE FAKE?? ???
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2004 09:26    Post subject: Re: MD Reply with quote

Irie-in-Christ wrote:
MD, I agree that we should disagree when necessary. I'm about to leave my pentacostle church, because there is no room at all for criticism. There is manipulation all over the place, and just yesterday the pastor told me he had a revelation that I can not be saved anymore.


Oh dear......

They never see that in the Bible there is always multiple pastors, and never just one. To prevent these "revelations". Unbelievable.

What did you do? Question authority?

I've had this "leader" telling me one time that he had to be obeyed even when he said things that was not in accordance with the Bible.

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I've questioned authority! And I agree with you that people have to keep on thinking. That's why it gets to me when you say (onesided) that in general Christians love to obey authority (and you make it sound negative). I am a Christian, but I don't want to be put in the corner by you or others, as wannabee christians that are ignorant and only want to obey authorities blindly.


In general they DO, just like in society, because people are not taught they are born with a God given right to freedom.

Do I put you in that corner, that is not my intention.

I just respond to your remarks and have never used the phrase "wanabee christians" to describe you or any other one here.


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I can go with you a long way and I respect the work that you are doing, but as I've made clear, I think sometimes you speak onesided and generalize too much. I can understand that you are frustated by some things, really I can. But in your reaction, maybe you are overreacting?


No I'm not I even practice self control.

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I questioned your humbleness when you were criticising, but you were right: to criticize doesn't mean that you one is not humble. Although the danger always stays that in our discussion we become too sharp, if you know what I mean (this also goes for me).


That shouldn't be a problem as long as it is interpretated as you describe above. Don't ever think I wouldn't treat you right if we would meet face to face and we will one day. I'm passionate about this subject, after all it is my identity which is questioned here at LOZ so I have every right to be vigilant.

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But as it is your right to question Christafarianism, it is mine to question Messian Dreadism I am learning from you and your posts on this forum, your itations and your website. But I think at some points you are not right.


I know

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And about the school where I teach: don't worry, the kids love me there


I would be disapointed if it would be different
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2004 18:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I questioned authority. It's a long story which I will tell you one day face to face when we meet. After all the cyber contact, I would really like to meet sometime. The Netherlands are not that big are they?

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No I'm not I even practice self control.


That's a good thing. I have to be honest that sometimes I read my own posts back later and think 'Jochem, that was not a wise thing to do/say'. I'll think I take a rest from the discussions on this forum for a while. My priority now lies with a pastor that acts like Moses (touch not the Lord's anointed) and a church I'm about to leave...

We must see eachother sometime soon...
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PostPosted: 06 Oct 2004 11:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will pray for you concerning that matter.
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