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12TribesLion



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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 03:35    Post subject: Christians with dreadlocks? Reply with quote

I remember in the Caribbean when it was Rastas who faced and still face trials and tribulations just because of their outward appearance. Since Rastas seperated themselves from modern society by looking different from them with locks, these baldheads brutalized Rastafarians for no reason and sent them to prison. These same baldheads were calling themselves Christians and despised locks.

Now all of a sudden some Christians wearing locks too? What do they know about the persecution that Rastafarians went through with dreadlocks? Nothing. So why they want to have locks now? Maybe they like the style or just for commercial business, but Rastafari grow locks because it is I n I covenant with the Father, not no fashion, stylee or commercial business. Now I don't have a problem with some Christians wearing locks, because I know few who are ok and wouldn't speak down on Rastas.

But there are others who wear locks and behave in this ignorant kind of manner towards us Rastafarians, & it is they who I really would like to ask, why do they have locks? Let's be honest here it was the Rastafarians who boldly wore their hair into locks even before these so called Christians began wearing them, & endured pure sufferation by so called Christians. Even the Ethiopian Christians still show love to Rastas, not undermine them like others are doing. So again I really have to ask, why are these people really wearing locks?
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blaminack
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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 04:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have locks. And I think it was a reaction of fear that caused those types of things. Instead of trying to understand the critques that the early Rastas offered at the Church I think they saw it as an attack. Also legalism is a very big part of lots of Christian Churches. It is wrong. I strive to not have such a judgmental attitude.

I would like for you to see something though. Often people go far and beyond the intentions of the Bible to feel more rigtheous. For example, if I don't smoke ciggerettes and have never had a problem with such a thing, it could be very easy to look down on those that are addicted. Now I could go patting myself on the back about how much more goddly I am than the person who struggles. The truth is that most who do such things are over compensating for a hiden struggle. Men who are addicted to porn for example are often very legalistic in other parts of their lives that are more easily seen.

Any ways I have said all that to say that it is not the Bible, or true Christianity that causes such things, but it is sinnful flesh that allows such hypocracy.
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 18:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?


deh initial responses is from deh pauline doctrine in which paul tells ones" does not nature teach you dat long hair is deh shame of a man?". dis innit itself is deh prevailing attitude of deh globe today because of who carried deh "Christian" message out from rome. never in Ini view can deh modern ever replace deh ainciency, it jest cyan.

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Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.


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1 Corinthians 11:15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering.


dis is why deh entire world is infatuated wid sistren wid long hair because of dis verse and for what, vanity?

1 Peter 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

dis is directed at Afreecan people becase dey were deh first to plait or braid hair simply out of necessity. Ini know deh context in which it is used but someone tell I if dis is law or commentary or advice, because no one seems to know espicially regarding paul.


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1 Corinthians 11:6
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.


dis verse is responsible for at least deh entre western world meking it a necessity for sistren to shave. dis is one of deh most ridiculous things Ini have cited in deh I-ble because it basically is saying dat even doe Jah has made sistren wid dis hair for a divine purpose, let us put assunder what Jah has I-rated for deh sake of vanity, yeah right!

dis and other ridiculous reasonings have made deh entire global community afraid of hair in itself and for what? roman vanity? deh razor industry is large in deh western world as if it were a universal basic necessity for survival, when it is a waste of money. Ini guess shaving everyday is similar to how deh medicinal community works here also, attacking deh byproduct but never deh root. deh root of hair is dat JAH.I.M.self I-trols deh growth of hair and dat notta one could stoppit from growing or mekit grow any faster if dem tried, so why try and destroy it everyday or everyweek for a facade dat only disappears deh nextday? all hair was placed upon deh individual for a specific reason dat only H.I.M. knows so why battle deh force dat made you a force yourself? deh strength of deh nazarite vow and all others who refuse to bow to rome's scissors and comb propaganda is a very real thing and for deh 1st advent Christians who are honest unto Jah, dem will acknowledge dis as truth by deh very fact dat dem gon natty. again Ini ask who are you fi stop Jah I-ration?

Hail H.I.M.inperfectlove
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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 18:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are right that the idea came from that verse and it is only applied by folsk who disregard the verse below it...

1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
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JonaGus
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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 18:36    Post subject: Re: Christians with dreadlocks? Reply with quote

12TribesLion wrote:
Since Rastas seperated themselves from modern society by looking different from them with locks, these baldheads brutalized Rastafarians for no reason and sent them to prison.


I think societies usually fear groups which separate themselves out, rejecting the familiar norms of society (whether good or bad), especially when the seperatist group manifests their separation through clothing, hairstyles, and other practices which sharply differ from the norms of the society.

The punk movement is another which receives a very similar reaction, and for the same reasons. Likewise the great "holy fools" of Christian tradition (c.f. Perfect Fools by John Saward). Separatists groups are, whether rightly or wrongly, almost always perceived as dangerous and threatening to society.

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These same baldheads were calling themselves Christians and despised locks.


I have no doubt they considered themselves Christians, although it's pretty clear that they often failed to behave as Christians must.

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Now all of a sudden some Christians wearing locks too?


It isn't "sudden" in the sense that individual Christians have done it in many places at different times. Locks occur naturally in many hair types, you know. Some people let their hair lock, other people comb.

Sometimes one or the other will be socially preferred within a culture, rather like wearing hats. It used to be socially unacceptable for people to go out without hats, now hats tend to be scorned. This is rarely a religious phenomenon, though occasionally people will often try to justify their preferences with biblical principles and/or scriptural citations. But the real truth is that Christianity, as a religion, has never had detailed rules about "how you should look and dress" and "how you should not look and dress," even though some predominantly Christian cultures have.

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So why they want to have locks now? Maybe they like the style or just for commercial business


Some probably just like the style. Some are probably following fads promoted in commercial magazines. Some are identifying with aspects of the culture and doctrines of Rastafari, for a variety of reasons. Some are doing it as a conscious affirmation of their familial heritage and natural hair type, to contradict a cultural history of supression and shame (as when Malcolm X rejected conking his hair, or in the "black is beautiful" dimension of the American civil rights movement). There are many, many reasons (and sometimes none) that people lock their hair.

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but Rastafari grow locks because it is I n I covenant with the Father, not no fashion, stylee or commercial business.


Yes.

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there are [some Christians] who wear locks and behave in this ignorant kind of manner towards us Rastafarians, & it is they who I really would like to ask, why do they have locks?


I'd say: Just ask 'em!

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Let's be honest here it was the Rastafarians who boldly wore their hair into locks even before these so called Christians began wearing them, & endured pure sufferation by so called Christians.


People have been wearing locks from the dawn of mankind because some people's hair just locks if they don't comb it. It didn't start with Rastafari.

I completely agree that Rastas, and especially famous Rastas like Bob Marley, had a big hand in popularizing locks in modern times and making them increasingly acceptable in cultures where they were not before.

I also agree that many Rastas have often suffered unjustly when they were feared because they violated social expectations and norms.

At the same time, the Christians who wear locks are not the same people who persecuted other people for wearing them.

So just ask them what they're about.
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Yisraulmob



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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 18:48    Post subject: Natty Dread Reply with quote

I am glad that Jonagus brought up the fact that dreadlocks were in existence way before Rasta. Rastafarians did not invent them, however dreads did gain popularity because of Bob Marley and the rise of Reggae. I have my locks and they represent an embracing of my culture as a Black man and rebellion against Babylon system. InI am a pure Dread in Christ. I believe that some biblical figures wore locks, although I obviously don't believe that locks are for everyone. Blacks and some other cultures have been dreading for hundreds upon hundreds of years and Babylon system and those brainwashed by it seem to have a problem with it. JAH bless the dread and undread, InI are dread in heart and on my head and I represent Natty for life. PRAISE YAHUSHUA!!!
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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 19:59    Post subject: Re: Natty Dread Reply with quote

Yisraulmob wrote:
I have my locks and they represent an embracing of my culture as a Black man and rebellion against Babylon system.


This is something that I think both Rastas and Christians can appreciate, and it can actually be a point of unity and mutual understanding.

A conscious affirmation of familial heritage and natural hair type, to contradict a cultural history of supression and shame, is something that we can all support, even if some have other reasons for locking as well (e.g. personal vows of consecration to God).

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JAH bless the dread and undread


Amen.
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LongLiveZereYacob



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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2004 21:34    Post subject: lets see... Reply with quote

greetings in that divine and most precious name of Our Lord and Savior Yahshua Immanuel!

i too have been curious about this. For black people, dreads can be an aspect of the "black is beautiful" mentality, and I have no issues with this. But i think the real question that 12TribesLion was asking was why are White Christians wearing dreadlocks?

I wear dreadlocks as a form of dedication to the Most High Elohim Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, in accordance with the Nazirite Vow of Numbers Chapter Six. Paul was correct in his statement, that Long Hair shames a Man. I have had this burden of shame for the past few years now, including arrest and persecution the same. My question is, that according the Christafari opinion, dreads are worn by Christians in order to convert Rastas. This seems to be a terrible reason so is it the reason?

it seems to be an abuse of the culture. i can't agree with this, because it is abuse of the culture to which i adhere. It is making a mockery of the dreads that are on my head. It makes them just another hair style, and dreads should not be so. Paul wore them, and took them so seriously that he paused His Mission for the length of His Vow, so why are white christians no seeming to take them so serious? ( i think it is because of bands like KoRn making dreds in general popular amongst teenagers)

I am even more curious, not that white christians are wearing dreads, but that are embracing reggae music and culture but rejecting Ethiopian Orthodox and Rasfafari! Why is this? It seems the most mockery!

"long time ago, Christians only sing in Church and them a call reggae rags music!"

yours in christ
chris naphtali twelve tribes of israel
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