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JonaGus
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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2004 00:31    Post subject: Re: Rasta find Reggae Reply with quote

12TribesLion wrote:
Christians didn't even like Reggae, they despise it feeling it was the devil's music.


Again, that's just not true everywhere. I was raised Christian by my parents, and they love reggae music. They never considered it "devil" music. In fact, my mother would laugh at any Christian who reacted so foolish.
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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2004 05:09    Post subject: Re: Rasta find Reggae Reply with quote

JonaGus wrote:
12TribesLion wrote:
Christians didn't even like Reggae, they despise it feeling it was the devil's music.


Again, that's just not true everywhere. I was raised Christian by my parents, and they love reggae music. They never considered it "devil" music. In fact, my mother would laugh at any Christian who reacted so foolish.

It's not true everywhere, at all.
It's just alot of christians have done this, with every kind of music. punk, blues, reggae, rock, rap, dance, ect,ect. For alot of christians(and anyone, for that matter), if it's not in CCM or the old time Gospel hour on the radio, or anything they like or are prone to, it's not acceptable.
But times are changing, and new leaders are rising up that understand these things aren't "satans" music, or orgy-filled-demonic-lust-sounds.
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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2004 16:27    Post subject: Re: Rasta find Reggae Reply with quote

The Messenjah wrote:
It's not true everywhere, at all.
It's just alot of christians have done this, with every kind of music. punk, blues, reggae, rock, rap, dance, ect,ect. For alot of christians(and anyone, for that matter), if it's not in CCM or the old time Gospel hour on the radio, or anything they like or are prone to, it's not acceptable.


That attitude was entirely foreign to my family. Motown, reggae, soul, and such were the primary sounds of my childhood. In fact, I never heard of anything like CCM until high school, and I've never much liked any of it. I always thought of CCM, Christian-musical-exclusivity, and the creation of an Evangelical Protestant subculture as a foreign and disturbing trend, creepy and alien to traditional Christianity.

So, if anything, I grew up as a Christian with a bias against Evangelical Protestantism.
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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2004 23:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, this response is coming from a person who is from the Caribbean, who knows the Rasta experience quite well, not assumptions like some of you are giving here who are not even from the Caribbean, where Rastafari was organized and where Reggae music began. Reggae was & is still considered to be devils music by alot of Christians in the Islands, maybe not in America but surely in the Islands. Only Rasta were Reggae music listeners, surely not Christians.

Yeah Reggae come from ska and rock steady, but only Rastafarians introduced Reggae. So I am asking again why these so called Christians wearing locks, using the red, gold, & green colors, & chanting Jah fah? Pure commercial business ah gwan with Babylon. It seems like blaminack is from the Caribbean also, because he overstands exactly what I am saying here, others are not comprehending my words at all.
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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2004 23:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

12 Tribes Lion,

No I am not from the Caribbean but God has given me a great love for the West Indian people and culture.

One thing that I have noticed in general, and I am not by any means trying to be making stereotypes or be critical... but I have noticed that many of the West Indian traditional churches are of a very legalistic bent. But also it is the same where I am from here in Florida.

It wasn't very long ago that some preachers preached against airconditioning because they believed it was catering to the "flesh". Many still have serious pet peeves that are very important to them.

12 Tribes Lion, I don't consider these things to be just held in the Christian faith. Bobos Shantys from the things that I have read are very dogmatic and have legalistic tendancy as well. There is a fundamentalist strain in all religions.

I think that some of the things that you see as Chrisitan schizophrenia is more likely a realization that these things were not in fact sinful.

One of the things that has been rolling over in my mind about things like this is that I want to strive more and more towards a Biblical Faith and more away from Non-Biblical forms and tradtions. More towards the real thing that Christ walked and less of the influences of men's opinions.
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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2004 00:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

12TribesLion wrote:
Reggae was & is still considered to be devils music by alot of Christians in the Islands


I am not denying that. What I am saying is that my family is Christian and we believe their judgment about reggae is foolish, stupid, and wrong. So not all Christians think of Rastas and reggae that way, and it is not right to assume they do.

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So I am asking again why these so called Christians wearing locks, using the red, gold, & green colors, & chanting Jah fah?


And again, as before: these are Christian images and terms from before Rasta, so we can also use them. Besides, as I said before, many Rastas are Christians. Why are you trying to create such a harsh dichotomy?

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others are not comprehending my words at all.


I do know what you are saying, brother. Rastas have been wrongly persecuted, and I have always condemned the persecution of Rastas. Apparently you haven't really been reading my posts, or you would have noticed phrases like "I have no doubt they considered themselves Christians, although it's pretty clear that they often failed to behave as Christians must" and "many Rastas have often suffered unjustly when they were feared because they violated social expectations and norms." Or again, "When Rastas are persecuted because people fear how 'different' their dreads are, you see the injustice. People are making an assumption that isn't necessarily fair. It's not right. They shouldn't do that."

Persecution is, despite what these so-called Christians may have claimed, very UN-Christian behavior: forbidden to Christians by Y'shua himself!

So I have repeatedly agreed with you, brother, that Rastas have been unjustly persecuted. And so far your only response is to behave as if all Christians, without exception, are cruel persecutors of Rastas. Perhaps you need to ask yourself whether your own attitude is just?
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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2004 05:57    Post subject: What do Christians know about Rastafari in the first place? Reply with quote

Blaminack what does the Boboshanti have to do with this discussion? I am talking about the ignorant behaviour of some Christians, not Rastas. Once again jonagus I find your thought to be really ridiculous. Because like I said already, these are African symbols not Jewish. Infact, I have never seen no Judaist using a red, gold, & green flag, their's is a white and blue flag, with a blue Star of David in the center. The Ethiopian Flag which us Rastafarians use is not Jewish, but has Red, Gold, & Green with the Lion of Judah in the center, an African emblem.

The Lion of Judah symbol is surely not Jewish, because Hebrews were and are not Jewish there is a difference with these European people, and the original inhabitants, the Hebrew Israelites. So you're not making any sense at all about these are Jewish symbols, Rastas are using. Because Rastafari ain't derive from no Judaism or Christianity like you and others assume. What do you or anyone else here know about Rastafari anyway when you're not even Rastafarians? These are African symbols and who are the only people in this Western Hemisphere to first use them?

Christians? Nope. It was us Rastafarians, that were using them for liberation purposes not for commercialization, like ones are doing with them. It was us Rastafarians who chanted Jah to society before anyone else in this Western Hemisphere, a name which alot of Christians considered to be evil, when it is written in Psalms 68? Again it was only us who boldly wore locks before anyone else in this Western Hemisphere, & founded Reggae Music to uplift the people with, who were suffering in the Ghetto.

So credit must be due to us Rastafarians, & not taken away from us by anyone. Like I man said already I know some Christians that are irie with us, but not all are, that's a fact. It is they who I really oppose from using the colors, chanting Jah, wearing locks, and most of all, playing Reggae music, in what they call Christian Reggae. This is a reason why I really seperate myself from alot of Christian people, because they are obviously confused & white washed by Babylon, believing that us Rastafarians are being mislead? No, we have learned the truth for ourselves.

Since some people who call themselves Christians feel that even Rastafarians who look to Yahshua the Messiah and not Emperor Haile Selassie I, like other Rastas, are lost and needs to be found, is an absolute ignorant gesture. Truthfully, I ain't no Christian, I am a Rastafarian, & I am not ashamed of who I am. You ain't going to see me calling myself a Christian Rasta or Rasta Christian like others are doing, because that seems to be confusing to me. So I identify myself with the livity that I man embrace, which is Rastafari, not Christianity.

What all these westernized Christians need to know before making false assumptions of us Rastafarians, is that not all Rastas see His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I as the returned Messiah. We have different views on who the Emperor is just like Christians have on Jesus Christ. It is not true that all Christians see Jesus as God, because I have spoken to some who rather see him to be the Son of God, & yet they are Christian people. So it shouldn't be no surprise for anyone to learn about the different views of us Rastafarians at all. Jews and Muslims even have different opinions, so what else is new? No matter what the wicked try to do, they can never destroy Rastafari! Rastafari Live Up!

p.s. Ever since I joined this forum, I've read some serious anti-Rasta remarks & I decided to just leave the site. But here I am again, & these same anti-Rasta emphty rhetorics are given, & it makes me want to think that us Rastafarians shouldn't even be here. Yeah some people pretend like they are not against us, but I feel they are, just by listening to their thoughts on us.

I came here to put an end to all stereotypes on Rastafari, given by non Rastas, & hope that they can learn for themselves what Rastafari really is about. Unfortunately some are rather ignorant and feel like they know about us Rastas when they aren't even Rastas. Maybe all Rastas should just leave this forum for these westernized Christian people. Why should we waste our time with Babylon, my Rasta people?
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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2004 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

12 Tribes Lion,

who asked what Bobo Shanty has to do with this discussion, and it is that legalism and a faith based on works is a part of every faith. This is the reason why so called Christians persecuted the Rases.

12 Tribes Lion I for one am glad that you are here and have decided to participate in these discussion. They give you an opportunity to change some stereotypes that have been left in the mind of the Christian youth.

If we do nothing here, it is expose one another to differant mindsets.
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