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Did Bob Marley became a christian before his death?
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Irie-in-Christ
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PostPosted: 03 Oct 2004 19:18    Post subject: Onesided Reply with quote

I hope the essay will not be onesided...
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PostPosted: 03 Oct 2004 21:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will have footnotes, links and appendixes to back up my one sided statements with the facts.
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 14:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry MD, I should have been more specific. My comment was made to Worthog who wrote:

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THEN PREACH THE WORD AS IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES WITHOUT ADDING IN CRAZY FANTASIES. YESUS DIDNT FIGHT AGAINST THE RASTAMEN. WORKING WITH OR LIKE BABY-WRONG TO DOWNTROD THE POOR PEOPLES MOVEMENT IN JESUS NAME WITH WORDS OF FAKE LOVE IN ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART


Basically acusing me of preaching this false Gospel and treating people this way.
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 14:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see that.

Warthog is a perfect illustration of what many here perceive Rastas are like. He is helping you all out very much as I'm sure you have noticed.

On the other hand, I must say that although I see you and others here as my Idren in Christ, let there be no mistake about that, I do disagree to a very long extend with the way the Gospel is communicated, and I even think that the Gospel that is being preached also has elements which shouldn't be in there.

The time has come, I think, to open that can of wirms and to debate this in public. Not in secret.

I would never reveal names, secrets, or use people's private lifes to make my points, but I do wish that there would be a public in-depth debate about Christafarianism. The release of my essay will be a contribution to it, I hope. It's not goiung as fast as I hope, but okay, that's how it is. After all, I have an illness which sometimes disables me from doing as much as I would like to. But hey, that's my problem.

So in short, although I see you as my brother in Kristos (we have to spent eternity together at one time), I do disagree stronlgly with many aspects of your (and others!) message. I disagree with how Rastafari is seen and portrayed and no I do not think Warthog represents all of the Rastafarians.

So let's reason about that.................
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 15:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

blessed love all,
Ini can only com forward from Ini classroom during deh week, so it is exciting to see wha deh I dem have meditated pon all weekend. from Ini limited I-verstanding deh gospel means deh good news, deh good news of Jah coming kingdom. now deh last time Ini reasoned pon dis, Ini think dat JonaGus told I dat dere is no seperation between Emmanuel & deh kingdom. Ini issue is dat deh gospel has never changed from I-ration, no matter who was preaching/wordsoundfiyahin' it for ones to hear. dat is deh message of urgency for hue-manity to change dem crooked ways before Jah fiyah bun you. deh irony is dat Ini know dat all will face fiyah soona or later, it is justa matter of whether one's heart is pure so that ones are able to withstand deh fiyah, seen.
for ones who are not familiar wid deh term fiyah/fiyah bun it is simply everyday judgement pon hue-manity in an overall and individual manner. Ini have many 1st advnet Christian friends who are actually scared of deh fiyah concept because to dem it represents hell & damnation. example in deh united states of amerikkka in deh last election president bush stole deh election wid deh help of his brother in a lil ole state called florida. 4 years later look at dat lil ole state of florida being bombarted with not one, not two or three but four hurricanes in one of recent history's sickest judgements. Ini don't deal wid deh supernatural just deh natural, so when Mama Irth/wisdom passes her judgement though her methods of deh elements, ones must overstand dat she is just doing deh will of Jah, her husband.
Ini just posted dis for ones to overstand dat deh gospel is to get hue-manity ready to walk through fiyah and not get burned.
Haile Selassie I
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 18:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
from Ini limited I-verstanding deh gospel means deh good news, deh good news of Jah coming kingdom.


I agree, the Kingdom is Good News.

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now deh last time Ini reasoned pon dis, Ini think dat JonaGus told I dat dere is no seperation between Emmanuel & deh kingdom.


You are right. This is the ancient and traditional Christian Faith.

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Ini issue is dat deh gospel has never changed from I-ration


The Gospel has not changed, but the knowledge and understanding of men has been developed over time through divine revelation and reasoning.

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deh message of urgency for hue-manity to change dem crooked ways before Jah fiyah bun you.


Well, that's the negative aspect of the message. The positive content is that Jah is an eternal Communion, Love, and that all humans are called to participate in Jah Life in Y'shua by the power of the Holy Spirit.

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it is justa matter of whether one's heart is pure so that ones are able to withstand deh fiyah, seen.


Jah Love is the consuming Fire. Yes.

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for ones who are not familiar wid deh term fiyah/fiyah bun it is simply everyday judgement pon hue-manity in an overall and individual manner. Ini have many 1st advnet Christian friends who are actually scared of deh fiyah concept because to dem it represents hell & damnation.


I think you are saying that the consequences of sin are temporal, in the here and now and not in the afterlife. You seem to be concerned that Christians believe the only consequences for sin are in the afterlife. I think, in reality, that the consequences of sin are both temporal, in the here and now world, and in the everlasting Gehinnom. This is what the Scripture teaches.

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deh gospel is to get hue-manity ready to walk through fiyah and not get burned.


I think that is an acceptable metaphor, though for most hearers it probably wouldn't incorporate enough of the positive meaning of the Gospel.
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PostPosted: 11 Oct 2004 00:04    Post subject: I believe so Reply with quote

I do believe that Bob Marley was baptised in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, like Abuna Yesehaq stated in his interview, & accepted Iyesus Kristos as Lord and Savior, which is the first thing a person has to do before becoming an EOC member.
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PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 01:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

For an adult to be baptized a member of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, he must:

[1] Know and profess the "Creed of the Apostles." The text from the Ethiopic Liturgical Book is:

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We believe in one God, maker of all creation, Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, because his nature is unsearchable.

As we have before declared, he is without beginning and without end, but he is ever-living, and he has light which is never extinguished and he cannot be approached.

He is not two or three gods, and no addition can be made to him; but he is only One, living forever, because he is not hidden that he cannot be known, but we know him perfectly through the law and the prophets, and he is Almighty and has authority over all the creations.

One God, Father of our Savior Jesus Christ, who was begotten before the creation of the world, the only begotten Son, coequal with the Father, Creator of all the hosts, the principalities, and dominions.

[Jesus Christ] Who in the last days was pleased to become man, and took flesh from our Lady Mary, the holy Virgin, without the seed of man, and grew like men yet without sin or evil; neither was guile found in his mouth.

Then he suffered, died in the flesh, rose from the dead on the third day, ascended into heaven to the Father who sent him, sat down at the right hand of power, sent to us the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit who proceeded from the Father, and saved all the world, and who is coeternal with the Father and the Son.

We say further that all creatures of God are good and there is nothing to be rejected, and the spirit, the life of the body is pure and holy in all.

And we say marriage is pure and childbirth undefiled, because God created Adam and Eve to multiply. We understand further that there is in our body a soul which is immortal and does not die with the body.

We repudiate all work of heretics and all schisms and transgressions of the law, because they are for us impure.

We also believe in the resurrection of the dead, the righeous and sinners; and in the day of Judgement, when everyone will be recompensed according to his deeds.

We also believe that Christ is not in the least degree inferior [to the Father] because of his Incarnation, but he is God, the Word who truly became man and reconciled mankind to God being the High Priest of the Father. Henceforth, let us not be circumcised like the Jews. We know that he who had to fulfill the law and the prophets has already come.


The creed of the Council of Nicea is also accepted and used by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

[2] Know the Lord's Prayer. (c.f. Matthew 6:9-13)

[3] Know the Ten Commandments. (c.f. Deuteronomy 5:6-21)

[4] Know and profess Amistu A-emade Mystir, the Five Pillars of Mystery. These are the Mystery of the Trinity, the Mystery of the Incarnation, the Mystery of Baptism, the Mystery of Eucharist, and the Mystery of the Resurrection of the Dead. Here is the text of the Mystery of the Trinity, which the adult convert must know, believe, and profess:

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Mystire Selassie/Mystery of the Trinity

The Mystery of the Trinity is to believe in the Father the begetter, in the Son the begotten, in the Holy Spirit the one who proceeds, one in three and three in one. They are three in name, in person, in work. In name they are called Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. The Father has a perfect person, perfect face, and perfect form. The Son has a perfect person, perfect face, and perfect form. The Holy Spirit has a perfect person, perfect face, and perfect form. As far as their work is concerned, the Father is begetter, the Son is begotten, the Holy Spirit is the one who proceeds. The Father begets and causes procession, but is neither begotten nor proceeds. The Son is begotten, but neither begets nor proceeds nor causes procession. They are one in nature, in essence, in fullness, in substantiality, in divinity, in heart, in word, in breath.

They are called Ab, Wold, and Menfes Qidus. Ab means "the Father," Wold means "the Son," and Menfes Qidus means "the Holy Spirit" one who proceeds from the Father. When we say the Father begets the Son and causes the Holy Spirit to proceed, it does not mean he is greater than they; he does not precede them. "The temporal precedence of the Trinity is the same; they are equal in precedence," as Heraclius says.

When we say they are three in name, person, and in work, we do not mean to say three gods, but one God; as Athanasius said in Haimante Abew: "The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God; but they are One, and are not called three gods." The Father is called the Father, but not the Son or the Holy Spirit; the Son is called Son, but not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is called Holy Spirit, but not the Father or Son. As Ignatius has said in Haimante Abew: "The name of the Father is not changed to be the name of the Son or Holy Spirit. The name of the Son is not changed to be the name of the Father or the Holy Spirit. The name of the Holy Spirit is not changed to be the name of the Father or the Son."


This is what was required of Bob Marley at his conversion.
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