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knyce2002



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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2004 01:42    Post subject: Haile Selassie Reply with quote

I have a friend who is a Rasta. He tells me what he believes but I'm not quite sure how he believe that Haile Selassie is the supposed Lion of Judah. Can you help me figure this out so I know how to talk to him about it. Thanks and Jah bless.
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PostPosted: 27 Apr 2004 23:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haile Selassie I NOT the Lion of the Tribe of Jufah spoken of in the Book of Revelation. He was a Christian, that denied being Christ, and has since passed away to be with our Lord. You can discuss this topic in the Rastafari section of this forum. Also, please e-mail me at Mark@lionofzion.com and I will forward you something that may help a lot.
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Ras Christian



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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 07:12    Post subject: Lion Of Judah Reply with quote

Actually through blood geeology Haile Selassie Is the Lion Of Judah. Many Christians say it is Jesus because Joseph was his legal father, but geneology is not through paperwork but through blood. Haile Selassie I is the 323rd greater grand son of Menilek I ( son of Solomon and Sheba), 225th King of Judah since Menilek. To be the Lion Of Judah you must go through David and then Solomon, Jesus is through blood through Mary and mary is through Nathan then David. Nathan not Solomon. So really through Blood geneology Haile Selassie I is the Lion Of Judah. I don't mean to cause any form of animosity since this is a Christian site. I am of the Rasatafari faith and when someone speaks of I n I king, I am ready, blessings, and guidance.....
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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2004 14:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scientists and historians are not agreeing on the fact that Haile Selassie (and others in Ethiopia) are descendants from the line of Judah, David and Solomon. There is too much information lacking and a lot of caps. No one can say with certainty that this is a fact. That's the truth.
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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2004 03:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irie in Christ
[quote]Scientists and historians are not agreeing on the fact that Haile Selassie (and others in Ethiopia) are descendants from the line of Judah, David and Solomon. There is too much information lacking and a lot of caps. No one can say with certainty that this is a fact. That's the truth.

Greetings once again to all in the Holy name of His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie King of kings Lord of Lords, Elect of God, light of this world.

So the Idren want scientific and historical proof of H.I.M lineage.What a pity. You can't overstand RasTafari Livity - Word Sound Power. For InI RasTafari is a rebirth or a rebegining in this Iternally journey of life. InI study life on this material plane which is temporary and as a result get in touch with that which is spiritual and for Iver. The ancients were adept at doing this. Seeing ( with the mind) the spirit world is an art form that is alien to most modern man especially these so call theologians.

His majesty can trace His ancestry back some four thousand years. And it can go back much, much further than that to when Itiopia ruled Kemit. InI are not fools. If you want to worship a nebulus man who is going to come thru the sky, just gwaan. For InI there is no reality in that.

Peace in Selassie.
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PostPosted: 08 Oct 2004 19:49    Post subject: Respect, but I must correct Reply with quote

Ras Christian and Ras Ted, I must respectfully write my response to your emphasis on the Davidic root of Haile Selassie.

Even though Selassie is said to be the two hundred and twenty-fifth emperor of the Solomonic dynasty, a direct descendent from the root of David, I question the accuracy of this statement. Many authors say that "he Said that he came from David's root," some say that "he supposedly came from the lineage of Solomon" Yet others like Barrett (in his book "The Rastafarians") say that he "placed himself in the legendary line of king Solomon" (81). In discussing this with Mesghina G-Medhin, Director of International Studies and former North Ethiopian (which is now Eritrea) he said "That is ridiculous!" claiming that it was a lie. (Mesghina) I have yet to find any sort of accurate lineage documents. Contrary to the lack of evidence, Selassie was believed to be the Messiah because he was a direct descendant of king Solomon and king David. In contrast to all of this jargon, Jesus Christ was born from the direct lineage of King David and King Solomon so He need not be born of it again (Matt 1:6-7).
Many Rastafarians base their faith on this lineage. The controversy of someone making these claims of lineage is not new, for in the New Testament Paul writes to the Church in Ephesus over this same subject. He rebukes them and urges them to turn away from this meaningless talk;

"Command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work-which is by faith."
I Timothy 1:3b-4 (NIV)

In the preceding verse Paul uses the word "myth" to explain what these people believe. In the King James version the word "fables" is used as a translation of the Greek word "mythos". "The word "fables" occurs in the King James Version New Testament five times. (I Tim 1:4; 4:7; II Tim 4:4; Titus 1:14; 2 Peter 1:16) The NIV has "cleverly invented stories" in II Peter 1:16, "Myths" elsewhere; other versions variously use "fables," "legends," "myths," and "tales." (Douglas 341) Despite these scriptures, fables, legends, myths and tales are exactly what Rastafarians use to prove Selassie's lineage. They read stories of Queen Sheba and King Solomon that are often printed in Ethiopian folklore, reggae magazines and elsewhere. These stories are not Biblical for they add to what the Bible has said. In fact, they were not even considered to be put in the cannon (the inspired scriptures). Since these stories are not biblical, even if they are true, we should not base our lives and our decisions on them. The Bible commands us not to add these writings to our beliefs or basis of understanding God for that is adding to the scripture;
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." Revelation 22:18
Adding is exactly what many do, for in writing about the coming of His Majesty Jesus Christ, Peter said
"We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." I Peter 1:16

Since our Messiah has already come from the root of David and the Bible does not ever speak of Him being born of it twice, I believe along the lines of Titus, that these claims are unprofitable and not necessary to our faith;

"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless." Titus 3:9 (NIV)

When Jesus Christ was born of the Lineage of David and atoned for our sins, He ended all necessity for the further studies of genealogies. "It is certain that the New Testament shows far less concern for the genealogy of human beings than does the Old Testament. In the Old Testament, God was bringing together a chosen people who would be a nation peculiarly devoted to preserving His revelation until, in the fullness of time, He sent His Son, who would draw to Himself a new people, united not by descent from common human ancestry but by a genealogy of one generation only: children of God by a new and spiritual birth." (Douglas 379)

Peace and love
Mark Mohr
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PostPosted: 08 Oct 2004 20:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen to that, Mark!
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PostPosted: 08 Oct 2004 22:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Predica la palabra!!! Marcos
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