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Haile Selassie: good or bad man?
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 17:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean no disrespect, I am a new creation in Yeshua (born again) yet I am still called by my physical birth name.

Haile Selassie his name will be, when I reason...................

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are deh I dem saying dat His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I is a liar because He H.I.M.self took deh titles? or are deh I dem saying dat deh church who annoited H.I.M. wid deh titles is a liar? or are deh I dem saying dat deh 72 nations who bowed at coronation hypocrites for not standing up and questioning the titles?


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Just because men decided to give him those titles doesn't mean that's who he truly is. The scriptures only give those names to Jesus!


Jah Pickney took the words right out of my keyboard.So if someone calls me a prophet then it is true? NO. Scriptures are the only confirmation of any such name.

And please give proof of Haile Selassie calling himself the king of kings.....................I take JAH word to heart,but your words will need to be shown as truth. There are interviews in which He says clearly who he is, and not one does he exlaim that he is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. I have read many of his speaches and teachings (monthly in Beat magazine) and never once did he call himself this title.

The Holy word of JAH is VERY clear and is full of proof that Yesus is the King of Kings and the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Revelation shows that Yesus (Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah) will/is the only worthy one to open the scrolls and end time as we know it on earth. Why assume or mistake anyone else for this Holy and most Awesome task?
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

have deh I dem read deh Kebra Nagast, because dat in itself sheds more light upon deh whole issue. because deh I dem are telling Ini dat He relunctantly took titles that He knew did not apply to H.I.M. also a man does not always have to accept what is given to him, yuhknow.
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 19:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe his majesty used Y'shua's titles in the same way I can call myself a "Christian" or a "priest": because I participate in Y'shua, who is Christ and Priest. Likewise, Selassie call himself by Y'shua's titles in a derivative and dependent way --Selassie striving to be like his Creator, Savior, and Lord Y'shua.
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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2004 19:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonaGus, dat is depreciating deh titles. according to deh Kebra, dose titles were and only were for dem who sit pon David's Throne. many sat pon deh throne in righteousness and unholiness but eventually that is the throne which Christ would return to. if you look at deh titles dat all held before Selassie I, why was deh entire monarchy culminated up to H.I.M. to be accepted by 72 nations as the Light of the World. why is it in H.I.M. coronation speech dat He referes to H.I.M.self as "the least of my bredren", when dat is a clear paradox?
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PostPosted: 21 Sep 2004 09:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jah Pickney wrote:
I can too! Just because men decided to give him those titles doesn't mean that's who he truly is. The scriptures only give those names to Jesus!


Not correct. "Lion Of Judah", for example, was a title of the ethiopian emperors even BC!
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PostPosted: 21 Sep 2004 19:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not correct. "Lion Of Judah", for example, was a title of the ethiopian emperors even BC


Come on, just because Jahn called Him this in Revelation, doesn't mean this was not His name before the earth began! YESUS said "Before Abram I AM!!

Before any ethiopian emperors or any man there was and is YESUS. Who is the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Who was and is to come......
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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2004 09:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I tell you, that Jah is your father, I do this, to give you an idea about the character of Jah. The concept "Father" by far is not enough to describe the relationship of Jah with his children, but it describes a certain aspect of the Most High. Now, when you hear "Father", what do you think? You look in your area for a father. You see a father and you think:"Ah, that is what a father means". Now, ofcourse, this is a simple thing, but the same principle works with Haile Selassie. In the Apocalypse, where John sees visions of the final downstruction of babylon, in chapter 5 the Savior is presented as "the Lion of Judah". Now, when you see this term, "Lion of Judah", you do the same thing. You ask yourself: "what is a lion of Judah". When you look closely you will find in Ethiopia, where kings of the Solomonic bloodline were called "Lion of Judah" even before Christ! As far as I know there is no other place on the earth where there is a mention of "Lion of Judah" apart from Ethiopia. It is a specific title for an Ethiopian king. Take for example the word "president". Suppose that you read in the bible Jah describing Himself as the "President". You would have Bill Clinton in your mind, and you would know what it means. Now, fortunately Jah does not compare Himself with the "President" but with the Ethiopian King. Because He presents Himself as Lion of Judah. He says: when you want to know Who I am, you will learn a great deal when you examine the Ethiopian King. Because of the Euro-centered way of thinking of so many eschatologists, tragically this (as well as many more things) has been overlooked. I see the fact that Jesus Christ presents Himself as Lion of Judah in a context where there is a mention of who is the rightful ruler of the earth, as a message from Jah to look to Ethiopia's Lion of Judah to learn what it will be, when earth's rightful Ruler will finally sit upon the throne of David, which has been kept warm for Him partly in....... Ethiopia!

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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2004 16:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

blessed love to all,
dis post is I-rected towards MD because I know his resume and where he stands regarding I-Majesty. if not officially at least unoficially, deh I is a student of deh 12 tribes doctrine at least regarding deh divinity of I-Majesty. Ini have repeatedly asked about deh title of Light of the World and 1st advent Christians on dis forum have attempted to dismiss it like it is not a significant question. presently, Abuna Yeshaq here in deh west has written a book on deh Ethiopian Tewehado Church, innit he speaks about how H.I.M. having that title weighed on his conscious or something to the effect of not being able to easily get it out of his head. with all deh studying deh I has done, Ini jes wated to know how deh I viewed deh situation and what helped deh I arrive at your particular conclusion.
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