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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2004 04:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you will find out why they are all about the same thing.

What is do you think the teaching of Abuna Yesehaq concerning Selassie?

It is not just that he is not Jah, which is basically how far the thoughts reach in western christianity. But it is not the teaching that Selassie is not JAH is what is important, it is the teaching as to what Selassie's spiritual significance IS that makes the difference. But this far I have never seen a reasoning in the Christian world.

And it is this teaching "Haile is not Jah" that influences you into not being able to acccept principals that you would accept without a problem when it would not be applied to Haile Selassie.

Have you a problem with saying Yesus is King? You should, in your line of thinking. Because "Lion of Judah" is just as much a title as "King". Have you a problem with calling Jah FATHER? No you have not but you should. It's in the bible, you say, that Jah is King and Father? So it is written He is Lion of Judah.

Now this is a strange thing for the western influenced christian. This christian, totally brainwashed into "obey the authorities because they are given by god" refuses to acknowledge even the smallest spiritual significance when it comes to Haile Selassie, a descendant of Solomon.

And I think that when people have an idea about Selassie that reaches no further then "he is not Jah" they abolutely do not overstand the other things. They wear colours without knowing what they are doing.

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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2004 07:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They wear colours without knowing what they are doing.


So do a lot of rasta's when they put red on top and green at the bottom of their flag, because this is not the flag of Ethiopia.

Anyway, I'm glad you are back on speaking terms again, rather than asking me if I feel right.



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Have you a problem with saying Yesus is King? You should, in your line of thinking. Because "Lion of Judah" is just as much a title as "King". Have you a problem with calling Jah FATHER? No you have not but you should. It's in the bible, you say, that Jah is King and Father? So it is written He is Lion of Judah.


I disagree. Like warrior said, 'king' and 'father' are universal concepts that every human being can understand. An Ethiopian Emperor is not.


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Now this is a strange thing for the western influenced christian. This christian, totally brainwashed into "obey the authorities because they are given by god" refuses to acknowledge even the smallest spiritual significance when it comes to Haile Selassie, a descendant of Solomon.


I don't see what obeying authorities has to do with someones view on Selassie I.
Now about Haile Selassie being a descendant of Solomon, this is historically and scientifically not clear at all. This is not a sure fact. Read the article on my site called 'A biblical response to the concept of a black Messiah'.
Where you say that western christians fail to give any spiritual significance to Haile Selassie, I would say you overdo the job. Calling him an 'ikon of Christ', is a huge expression and something I wouldn't say so quickly. I think you give Selassie too much credit.

Now about Revelation 5, not only western theologians but from all over the world don't interpretate this as that Jesus is being compared to a Ethiopian Emperor. And they are specialized in the Greek, in history, in backgrounds and contexts etc. Now if you want to claim it's different, go right ahead. Feel right
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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2004 14:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are confirming 100% what I wrote before.
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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2004 22:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure I am.
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2004 01:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confirming your mind set, my friend. A mind set that disables you from having an open mind when it comes to the spiritual significance of Selassie. That's your mind set: Selassie is not God period. Not an inch of any further thinking and people who do are suspect.

I can spend long hours trying to tell you things you do not want to hear but I leave it at this.
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2004 02:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought.. but what I hear too often is more opposition than love. I will read more into this Abuna Yesehaq, but I'm beginning to see that if you put too much focus on Selassie, Christians 'generally' see this as worship. Take away the focus and then it seems to 'diminish' Rasta.

Of course we won't all agree but can we come to middle ground? The facts about Selassie and his ties to Solomon are not concrete enough, but that alone does not disprove the validity of his heritage. This may sound harsh but generally speaking I see Rastas approach the subject of Selassie in the same way many Catholics approach the priest, and the word 'Dogmatic' comes to mind.
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2004 17:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

blessed love,
Ini have jes com forward again and have viewed all posts on deh topic. deh refusal for ones to acknowledge deh divinity of Ethiopia's royal line is so ridiculous. no other country upon creation can mek dis claim or can refute Ethiopia's claim of having deh Throne of david or deh Ark of the Covenant of Jah. dese facts alone mek Ethiopia Zion or heaven upon Earth because the Ark is deh dwelling place of Jah upon creation from its inception. even more convincing is that the country not deh lineage of Isreal has been covertly petitioning Ethiopia for deh last 30 years heavily for deh return of deh Ark of the Covenant, that according to Isrealis(not Isrealites) doesn't even exist anymore or that has been lost to oblivion.
No other man in 2000 years has stood up wid dese titles & proclaimed dem to deh world. dat is deh difference between Haile Selassie I and deh rest of His predecessors whom had deh majority of His titles also, He manifest H.I.M.self before deh world, whereas those before H.I.M. ruled in solitary because Ethiopia was closed off from deh rest of deh world similar to China. when Yohn speaks of seeing "heaven" open up, dis specifically refers to Ethiopia because of how I-Majesty "modernized" deh country. and brought it out of obscurity and to the doorsteps of Europe. When Yohn sees a throne wid a rainbow around it, try and find me a throne dat has a banner around it closer to a rainbow dan I-tes(red), gold & green, you won't find it.
ones must be forgetting deh fact why Jah established His throne upon deh face of creation and what it represents. it represents Him upon the face of creation as God & King. if dis was not so, deh would have not mocked Christ as deh King of Isreal for not sitting upon deh throne as did David & Solomon. deh fact remains dat dere is no response for deh "Ancient Monarchy" dat includes Adam to Emmanuel deh Christ forward to His Imperial Majesty, none! when Haile Selassie I comes forth with deh title Elect of Jah, dat means if deh Almighty held an election to vote for one man outta deh whole of creation, dis is who He picked to represent Him. when Peter talks talks about deh chief cornerstone and how it is to be [b]elect
and precious, dis is notta coincindence. when deh new testament echos deh old and says dat deh Deliverer shall com outa Zion, where has deh location of Zion been since halfway through King Solomon's reign? in I-thiopia!!
alotta ones will not overstand dis post because alotta ones will choose not to read or accept deh truth contained in deh Kebra Nagast. dis in itself is okay but ones really have to question how can dis medium size Afreecan nation have the chutzpah to stand and not be conquered by any outside nation from since creation was, have a ruler dat takes unto H.I.M.self deh exact titles of Christ, carries H.I.M.self inna manner dat even allows dis discussion and holds deh only legitimate claim to deh most sacred tangible/man-made object upon deh face of creation.
ones must remember dat dis entire forum would not even exist if dere was no mystery and mystique surrounding the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Defender of the Faith, the Elect of Jah & the Light of the World. dat fact alone has drawn ones who refuses to acknowledge H.I.M. for who He is but still cannot run from what is in their spirits'. something is causing "dese doubting thomases" to keep communing wid sons and dawtahs of deh King of Kings and it is not proselytizing because Rases or at least dis Ras is not fallin' fi di okee doke, seen. so now dis becomes an issue for 1st advent Christians to ponder, (except for MD) deh question of why are you here reasoning wid a bredren who knows your basic theology and who has
I-levated it to its present heights of RasTafarI and who refuses to regress.
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PostPosted: 27 Sep 2004 17:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ones must remember dat dis entire forum would not even exist if dere was no mystery and mystique surrounding the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Defender of the Faith, the Elect of Jah & the Light of the World. dat fact alone has drawn ones who refuses to acknowledge H.I.M. for who He is but still cannot run from what is in their spirits'. something is causing "dese doubting thomases" to keep communing wid sons and dawtahs of deh King of Kings and it is not proselytizing because Rases or at least dis Ras is not fallin' fi di okee doke, seen


There is no mystery.

You have come to this forum to only (in some way) try to prove your "be-lie-fs" are truth themselves.

I have no doubt that Yesus the Christ is the Light of the world, King of Kings, Lord of Lords.

Are you not here runnin' yourself? Many are under a great babylonian illusion and this illusion permiates through much of your reasoning. When you say you are against babylon,you work for it. babylon is against Jah and Yesus is Jah. You are against Yesus. Then you are against Jah.

You are sure of what you say?

I am completely sure in both mind and spirit of what Yeshua say.

You talk of doubting Thomas and fail to see who Thomas called his Lord and his God.

By your posts I would say that it is you who continue to "commune" with the SONS and DAUGHTERS of the Most High YESUS! Who is the King of Kings.
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