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Haile Selassie: good or bad man?
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JonaGus
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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 22:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

warthog wrote:
Y'shua NEVER said "I am not God"

ON THE CROSS YESHUAH SAID FATHER WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME


We believe Y'shua is God, not the Father. There is no contradiction between these two beliefs.
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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 23:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

so know we are saying dat dere is a difference between God & deh Fada?
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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 23:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

so now we are saying dat dere is a difference between Jah & deh Fada?

why when Britain sent official emmisaries to Ethiopia in 1958 & 1959 to ask Haile Selassie I to deny He is deh Almighty to halt deh Rastafarian movement, there was never ever any response official or unofficial?

does not Christ refer to Jah as deh one who sent Him, not that He was deh sender Himself?

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But Selassie refused wroship when he said "I am a man, and man cannot worship man." And Selassie denied being God when he called Y'shua his Creator. I do not believe Selassie was lying about this. He really isn't God.


in deh book "From Babylon to Rastafari, deh author Douglas Mack details his travels forward to meet with H.I.M. and how He allows deh Ras delegation to chant psalms and give praise unto H.I.M. without interuption. so your theory of H.I.M. refusing worship has flopped, sorry.

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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 23:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
so know we are saying dat dere is a difference between God & deh Fada?


The Father is God and the Son is God, but the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. This is the ancient and traditional Christian faith. All Christians believe this, including Emperor Haile Selassie.
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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 23:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
He allows deh Ras delegation to chant psalms and give praise unto H.I.M. without interuption. so your theory of H.I.M. refusing worship has flopped, sorry.


Selassie may not have forcibly stopped them, but he did tell people not to worship him. That is not a "theory," it is a direct quote from his majesty: "I am a man, and man cannot worship man."
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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2004 00:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

but dose men did worship H.I.M. as a man, regardless of what ones now say.
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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2004 00:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

in His first advent was Christ omnipotent?
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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2004 00:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonaGus wrote:
Makheru8 wrote:
JonaGus wrote:

The same may be said of many monarchs in history. A good example is Tsar Nicholas II: he was an extremely devout Christian and great family man, but definitely not cut out for politics and the monarchy.


Jonagus: you imply that Haile Selassie was not a fit ruler and king -- is that honor or respect?


Actually, I said that Tsar Nicholas of Russia was a better family man than he was a ruler, and that many people still regard him as a great and even holy man --even as a saint and a martyr! Someone else said Selassie made bad mistakes in his rule.

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The Lion of Zion is purely AFRICAN


"Zion" was the name given to a Jebusite fortress near modern-day Jerusalem that was conquered by David (2Samuel 5). It was located on a hill in southeastern Jerusalem called Mount Zion. (This hill is now the site of David's Tomb & the Church of the Dormition) In David's time, Zion was a section of Jerusalem. After his death, it came to refer to the Temple mount of Jerusalem, i.e. Solomon's Temple and its grounds. Over time it referred to all the high land of Jerusalem. Among people in the Jewish diaspora, much later, it came to refer to the whole promised land of Israel.

The Lion has always been a symbol of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:8-12), whence the kings come. Zion is part of the land belonging to Judah.

On what grounds could you possibly assert that this is "purely African"? It's in Israel, brother, and it's Jewish.


Sometimes what we intend to communicate and what is said are two different things.Above you created an analogy between Selassie I and Nicholi, and in saying that the qualities and traits that Selassie I had were similar to those of 'many other leaders' specifically Nicholi whom you then say "is not fit for politics or a monarchy" you draw attach those same attributes to Selassie I (or maybe it is I who read incorrectly)-- you then attempt to justify it by saying "other people said he made mistakes". This is why this is disrespectful to me, HIM worked him whole life to mordernize and improve Ethiopia -- and you say he was a leader who was not cut out for monarchy? If ones "honor and respect" Him, would not they also honor and respect what HIM devoted him life to?
I'll try and explain this lion thing a different way because the hare didn't communicate the reasoning. What lions are in Israel/Judah? Hatshesput imported Lions from Punt (Ethiopia), that was in 1400 "bc", Israel nor Judah were yet nations.. I only add this to indicate that the animals were likely not living in the area at the time Judaism began. Abraham walked from the west . For a people to have adapted an animal symbol such as the Lion -- they would have had to have intimate expierence with the animal in order to overstand it as a symbol and further ascribe it to represent a concept. This is how I reached the conclusion that the Lion symbolism is African: Lions are found in Africa... For some time North Africa has been an arid region, if Hatshepsut imported her lions from Punt, there were none in Kmt or the surrounding area at this time. As Abraham did not started his journey near Persia he was far removed from African wildlife. Jonagus -- I have no problem admitting that Rastafari has grown from Christianity and Judaism -- but you must admit that Judaism nor Christianity represent "source" material or rather root material -- they too are derived religions. With that in mind oui directed you toward Apedemak the Sudani Lion Ntr. He embodied both the creative and destructive power of light. Also Apedemak was three-headed evoking the concept of the trinity(this is a unique representation for a Ntr) Apedemak's following rose with the Nubian Kings of the twenty fifth dynasty. The twenty fifth dynasty are from the same line of Menelik I the same as Selassie I, Shabaka and Taharqa(piankhi) -- Tsawi Terhak Warada(13) were brothers -- the Solomonic line. As the septugenuit (sp) was compiled in Alexandria during the rule of the Ptolemies(many centuries later) -- it is difficult to conclude that these Sudani ideas did not find themselves intertwined into Judaism. My only point is... HIM is who him say HIM is, and to calrify what it is we call honor and respect -- but I guess those are terms that are different for each -- because those comments above show neither honor nor respect.


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