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PostPosted: 11 Mar 2004 19:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

gabre,
Please don't misunderstand me. I gave personal testimony that's it. It is what is in the heart and that's it. Hair can be long,short, dreaded, colored, shaved etc..... JAH knows the heart.

Now I am sure you have seen the interview with Bob (time will tell video) and Bob claims that Rastafari (Haille Selassie) was/is earth's rightful ruler. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE?

If you believe this, then..........Your wrong.

But I know that CHRIST is earths rightful ruler and HE will be back to claim what is HIS. Therefore, I don't want to hear words/music which are rooted in these beliefs. And I don't want my children listening to such blasphemes either.

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Another point i would like to pick up on is that warrior said that they Rastas worshiped a man, lets be absolutely clear about this Jesus Christ of Nazereth was a man and according to the gospel when they worshiped him, some doubted his ligitamacy, just because he was in flesh.


I and my children have a relationship with the resurrected YESUS and the Holy words HE spoke - Not the flesh HE walked around in.

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And finally may i add, i dont think his children are really carrying forward his fame, but again Bob was Bob and wh's really like him


No, they are not carrying on his name and that is the point I was making. And yes no one else can be Bob - but his children have choices to continue his legacy or to start their own. And I have seen Ziggy, Cedella many of the Marley's at shows and etc... and their legacy is that of fame and fortune.

Bob was that of humble circumstances and stopping Babylon oppression and so on.... Most the Marley children are apart of this "Babylonian Greed" T.V. shows , commercials, $10 stickers, $30 shirts , all the "stuff" we see of Bob was massed produced after his death and the Marley family are reaping the benefits. Not the oppressed people that Bob so often sung about. Is this something you support?

The last Christian concert my wife and I went to was FREE and only asking for money if we found it placed on our hearts. This is to bring people to the saving knowledge of CHRIST. That is the way I want my children to think. GET IT!!!???

Not AIDS benefit or save the whales or buliding structures.
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 09:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I said I meant the Marley family kepy an ongoing of him, I meant it to the fact that they continued to be Rastas. That they never denied Haile Selassie, if thats how his name is spelled, as their lord.
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 11:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gabre, you may know that Bob was baptised to become a member of the EOC before he died and this was performed by Abuna Yesehaq, a very high ranking EOC cleric. It is a fundamental requirement of the EOC that for a rasta to be received into the EOC in this way that they renounce the concept that Selassie is Jah or Jesus.

check out http://www.jahjahchildrencommunity.com/abunaseh.html

There is another page of extracts of interbiews with the Abuna which I can't link to for some reason - I am copying it in below:

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Interviews with Abunda Yesehaq who Baptised Bob Marley

Below are "clips" from two interviews with Archbishop Abuna Yesehaq on Bob Marley's Baptism that appeared in the Jamaican Media.

Gleaner Interview
In a newspaper interview with Archbishop Abuna Yesehaq done by Barbara Blake Hannah,November 25, 1984, in the Gleaner's Sunday Magazine (pages 2,3,11), titled 'Abuna Yesehaq Looks Back on 14 Years of Ministry in Jamaica' the following was said about Bob Marley's baptism.

"Bob was really a good brother, a child of God, regardless of how people
looked at him. He had a desire to be baptised long ago, but there were
people close to him who controlled him and who were aligned to a different
aspect of Rastafari . But he came to Church regularly. I remember once while
I was conducting the Mass, I looked at Bob and tears were streaming down his face...When he toured Los Angeles and New York and England, he preached the Orthodox faith, and many members in those cities came to the Church because of Bob. Many people think he was baptised because he
knew he was dying, but that is not so...he did it when there was no longer
any pressure on him, and when he was baptised, he hugged his family and wept, they all wept together for about half an hour." (This section below is from p. 11.)

JBCTV Interview
In an Interview the following year (9th July, 1995) on the JBCTV (now called TVJ) program "Profile" he was asked by host Ian Boyne about the bapistim of Bob Marley. Below is a clip from that interview

Ian: You baptized Bob Marley?
Yesehaq: I did baptize Bob Marley in the presence of his wife Rita Marley and his children. Only the family, because he was not so willing to have it officially, it was difficult for him...which I don't want to describe.
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 18:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warrior

I had to laugh when I read your question about weather I believe HIM to be earth’s rightful ruler, because I was just about to answer your question when I scrolled down and could see what you wrote
“ If you believe this then your wrong….”

Anyway…

“I believe”

What you don’t seam to understand and what no one or very few on this web site seam to understand is the difference between Haile Selassie and Tafari Mckonnen.

Haile Sellassie and all the titles etc is Christ and they belong to Christ,
It is Christ, his name and titles that we honour.

These words are spiritual, but no one is denying Jesus Christ testimony and I am not talking about another Christ!


As for Bob Marley and his children, well god is personal and they are blessed in that they have inherited prosperity, because of their father’s testimony.

As for ministry perhaps it’s just not their calling…

I do understand your concern for your children and their salvation, if I am honest then I would most probly be going to a Christian church today if it was not for the church I attend, this is because the doctrine found in a lot of my Brethrens camps in Rastafari I have found wanting, however I am mightily blessed and empowered to prosper in and through the ministry I attend, of Rastafari.


I have received Jesus Christ, His first and second coming in his new name,

Haile Selassie 1st,
The Lion Of The Tribe Of Judah Has Prevailed.

Bless you.
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 18:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about all the other kings of Ethiopia before Selassie who had these titles?
Were they Christ too, and if not why not?
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 18:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Farruk,
The title of King of Kings And Lord Of Lords is Christ,
The Kingdom was as is a Christian Kingdom,
The throne is king Davids throne (spiritual)
The Body is Christ
The Glory is the lords



Talking Dog,

I appreciate very much your research into the baptism of Bob marley, I agree it most probly was as recorded very difficult for him to proceed with, but it was confirmation of who he was, hence his baptismal name of Berhane Selassie, meaning the light of the Holy Trinity.

The scripture does say “it is fitting for us to for fill all righteousness”

I too was baptised by a branch of the Orthodox church, but at the time I was not require to deny my revelation knowledge of him,
Merely to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savoir as is done.

My point here is that its quite possible that bob marley had to speak some words for his baptism, but there is still no actual record of him denying his faith in Haile Selassie 1st as is suggested by some.

But I have heard it said clearly on video by his mother that at no point did he waver in his faith and believe,
But was strong in faith and the power of his union in the lord, and too the lord.

Praise God.
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 18:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farruk,

Haile Selassie 1st is paticular

it is not just because of his name title and position as the head of the body of Christ which is enough for many Just for his name sake.

but it is also because of His testimony and the fulfillment of prophesy,

... How can Jesus not be Haile Selassie 1st

translated... How can the Savoir the word of God not be the three in one God, the power of the holy trinity.

But the word of God is God, and behold the word became Flesh,

Praise God,


Next Monday The Lord Permitting Bye.
Have a nice Weekend, in church of course.

Praise God and the Lamb.
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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2004 18:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What you don’t seem to understand and what no one or very few on this web site seem to understand is the difference between Haile Selassie and Tafari Mckonnen.


Well, as far as the british interview with Bob that I wrote of, Bob said that Haille Selassie and Tafari Makonnen were one in the same. You have not seen the interview? There is No scripture which back this theory. Only mis-interpreted,mis-guided theory.

Christ has only come once and that was on the cross!!! And His second return has not yet passed!!!

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I have received Jesus Christ, His first and second coming in his new name,


If He has come the second time then where is your HOPE? What is your faith in?

Many Jewish people are waiting for the first coming of the Messiah and you and many rasta say the Messiah has come twice already??!!

Well, your way off based.

Read the book of Revelation and see what will occur when Christ returns to earth the second time. The things spoke of in Revelation have not even begun yet. Yes, there are birth pains now but He is still patient in coming!
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