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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2004 20:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a modern translation of the scripture that I think explains it better. This is from the Living Bible.

When I am with the Jews I seem as one of them so that they will listen to the Gospel and I can win them to Christ. When I am with Gentiles who follow Jewish customs and ceremonies I don't ague even though I don't agree, because I want to help them. When with the heathen I agree with them as much as I can, except of course that I must always do what is right as a Christian. And so, by agreeing, I can win their confidence and help them too.
1 Cor. 9:20-21


This is a better explanation of the ministry of those who wear drocklocks as a witness tool.
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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2004 21:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jah Pickney for explaining.

And in the context of reaching satanist and using that scripture would be best used in wearing regular clothes (best black) so they fill confortable around you when your talking to them. They wouldn't be accepting you as good if you wore the white shirt/black pants/black tie combination compare to slacks and a simple black shirt. Doing that doesn't make you a satanist, it just makes them more easy to talk to. Do you think that when Paul and Tim were speaking to the Jews and Tim wasn't curicumsied, would the Jews have been more open or less? Maybe less maybe indefferent. But they might have asked (they knew he was greek from knowledge about his father) and it could have made a impact on their minstry for the bad. But getting circumsied didn't make him jewish. Neither wearing black shirts around satanist or dreads around rastas. When people start wearing symbols and icons or in agreement about sin and the such, they are not applying the scripture properly. A christain reaching a satanist shouldn't be wearing the upside-down star in the circle and such. Niether should a christain be wearing a marijana patch on their bookbags or shirts when reaching rastas.
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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2004 00:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Living Bible is a new age translation. Have you ever compare Romans 13 with the original? In the "lieing bible" it says policeman where the original says DEACON.

Another NEW WORLD ORDER "translation".

I do not accept the Living Bible as the Word of God, sorry. Better get the KJV.

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And in the context of reaching satanist and using that scripture would be best used in wearing regular clothes (best black) so they fill confortable around you when your talking to them.


Satanists usually wear colour ties and suits.
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But come one, you can't be serious. You all seriously think that Paulus said "become a satanist with the satanists". And you think this is in the clothing. If this wouldn't be so serious, I would laugh for 30 minutes. Really.

No wonder people get confused when "pastors" tell them to cut their dreads. This "pastor" will convince the younger brother very easily how wrong it is to wear dreads. Because the reasons you give and the lines you draw on your absurd reasoning are so unbiblical, unlogical and ignorant that it's hard to take you serious.

Your "approach" shows only one thing: you don't realize anything at all about true Rasta or true Dreadlocks. No matter how many times you visit "Jamaica". You can't compare Rastas with satanists and you do. You think that a "rasta" is a reggaefan yuppie hippie ganja skank jam and you think a "satanist" is a metalfan or gothic or how do they call it these days. So you're making too many mistakes.

And somebody laughs very hard. And it's not me.

It's those people who tell me how they feel because they are treated in ways such as you propose. Do you really think that JAH wants you to be an imposter, a manipulator? No man. JAH says be humble and adjust yourself to other cultures. But he didn't say to be like a pagan. Or worse: a satanist.

By doing what you are describing, you are not only totally wrong in applieing certain scriptures, you are making a fool and a clown of yourself, and a mockery of the gospel.

I have seen this. You don't, probably. Do you think people are so stupid that they do not see right through that? Wait, maybe not. Maybe the ones "you" "reach" with this SCAM SCHEME are the ones who will follow the first guru they meet anyway. And then they will be taken good care off in the churchical system. They will be tauight how to listen to the preacher and "respect" the "ones placed above him" until he gets sick of that and leaves the Christian Faith as a desillusioned, bitter man.

It's a disgrace.
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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2004 13:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey dude, get a attitude check. He (Jah Pickany) wasn't saying that the Living Bible was the best way to go, he was just using it to quote a easierly understood translation. That particular scripture was not changed in what it was saying, just something more easily understood. And so it a New world order "translation", so what. If it translates a scripture or word wrong, don't use it. You should always compare the bible with other just to make sure there is no changes to it. But, not using it because it's part of the NWO is messed up. Why? Because if you knew about King James, you would know that some historians believe that he was GAY (a HOMO)! So what, just because he might have been a homo, your going to ban the KJV of the bible?

Secondly, you obviously have a shallow knowledge about satanist. You ever thought that maybe their is more than one group of satanists? Could it be possible? And we aren't talking about the people that you have on your website. They (the ones you posted on your website) are wrong, but we are talking about the average Joe on the street that considers him self a satanist. Most of THOSE guys wear black and red. Those guy are not wearing ties and suits. Those guy are more confortable around tieless guys. Get it thru your head, just because you wear black around them doesn't mean your practicing their religon. If you are wearing their symbols, that is different. That is not right. But if you are wearing black, that doesn't make you wrong.

And a reminder: I wasn't the one that brought up satanists, you did. So keep your comments. I wasn't comparing satanists as rastas or visa versa.

And my reasons are biblical unlike yours. You have NO biblical standing why wearing dreads to outreach to rastas is wrong. Your just saying "your using it out of context!" while i clearly showed you how you can compare wearing dreads as the samething as paul making tim get circumised. They are both outward things that people look at. The jews looked at wether people were circumsied. Does a rasta looks at a person with short hair equally or lesser then when someone that has dreads also talks to them? That awnser would best be someone that is outreaching to rastas. Like Jah Pickany. Jah Pickany, do you think you would be equally accepted if you had short hair when talking to people that have dreads?

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And somebody laughs very hard. And it's not me.


Yep, and it can be the very oposite person you think is laughing.

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By doing what you are describing, you are not only totally wrong in applieing certain scriptures, you are making a fool and a clown of yourself, and a mockery of the gospel.


I'm not making a mockery of the gospel. I did not say "Go with the satanist and do their cerimonies". And perhaps Timothy was made a fool and clown of himself in front of the Jews. Maybe not. It is the same for us. We might be made a fool or we might be accepted. It depends on the other person.

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And then they will be taken good care off in the churchical system. They will be tauight how to listen to the preacher and "respect" the "ones placed above him" until he gets sick of that and leaves the Christian Faith as a desillusioned, bitter man.


That statement just shows how rebelious you are. And how open you are to the word.
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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2004 15:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jah Pickany, do you think you would be equally accepted if you had short hair when talking to people that have dreads?


I have seen first hand through my ministry, Mark Mohr's ministry and the ministies of some others that dreadlocks are a successful method in reaching most Rastas (an even non-Rasta Jamaicans). They get us respect that we wouldn't have otherwise. But it's not because they think we are Rastas. We are open from the start but the dreads give some kind of connection that causes them to trust and respect us. It's the same thing with any group that you are trying to witness to.
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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2004 15:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

christ-warrior wrote:
Hey dude, get a attitude check.


Sure, "dude"......... Bwaay who tells me that "respect" upwards is what holds your system up....


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He (Jah Pickany) wasn't saying that the Living Bible was the best way to go, he was just using it to quote a easierly understood translation.


Don't you think I don't know that? I have no need for an "easier understandable translation". And if I would I would not use a new age translation.

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And so it a New world order "translation", so what.


BECAUSE IT IS THE ANTICHRIST SYSTEM!


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If it translates a scripture or word wrong, don't use it. You should always compare the bible with other just to make sure there is no changes to it.


No. You should study the poriginal language manuscripts or texts.

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But, not using it because it's part of the NWO is messed up.


Yeah, sure, you're the first to go and take the verichip implant too, right? So what if it's the NWO. It's NWO o it must be goooooooooooooooooood.


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Why? Because if you knew about King James, you would know that some historians believe that he was GAY (a HOMO)! So what, just because he might have been a homo, your going to ban the KJV of the bible?


Ofcourse I know what "hisatorians believe. So? They also believe that your father is a monkey. Anyway, James didn't do the translation. Others did. It's still the best translation YOU have in YOUR language.

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Secondly, you obviously have a shallow knowledge about satanist. You ever thought that maybe their is more than one group of satanists? Could it be possible?


No. It's a pyramid system seen. On the "top" you have lucifer or satan. Then at the bottom you have all these (as they are called in jargon) 'usefull idiots'. The more you are initiated, the higher you go in the pyramid. Low-level minions are unaware of the top and who runs it. But not the other way around. It's one system. The idiots at the bottom, who run around in gothic and upside down crosses do so because they think that the ones who run this planet are "christian". They have no idea that the ones they are fighting, the leaders of nations, are also their leaders.

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And we aren't talking about the people that you have on your website. They (the ones you posted on your website) are wrong, but we are talking about the average Joe on the street that considers him self a satanist.


I go ahead of you and quote you saying:

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And a reminder: I wasn't the one that brought up satanists, you did.


Yes. I brought them up so how come you are the one to decide it's about those idiots running around with paintings of skulls and bones on their t-shirts while they are on a demonstration against the skull and bones bush who is a mass murderer in the name of satan?

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And we aren't talking about the people that you have on your website.


You did not check it. That's obvious. So here is from the book of Bohemian Club, which is a place of satan rituals, some of their members:


And here is a pic from their loving christian church service:



And this is their loving god:




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Get it thru your head, just because you wear black around them doesn't mean your practicing their religon. If you are wearing their symbols, that is different. That is not right. But if you are wearing black, that doesn't make you wrong.


That's a complete distraction what you are doing. You think you can apply the scriprute in Corinthians to "become a satanist with the satanists" andf I say it says no such thing. It's a distraction to speak about clothing and all that when speaking about satanism. Do you start to speak about burka's when you talk about Islam? I'm not even sure if you know the word! Ofcourse not. When you speak about a different religion, a worship to a different "god", you're not speaking about clothing.

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And a reminder: I wasn't the one that brought up satanists, you did. So keep your comments. I wasn't comparing satanists as rastas or visa versa.


Yes you do for you are stating that Rastafari is a religion worshipping a different god then the God of the Bible. So I am stating that when you are in that particula thought, you can not apply theat corinthians scripture to "biblically justify" having uncombed hair on your head and call it "dreads to reach dreads". For in your mind set Rastas wear dreadlocks to worship a different god. You would be indeed like a satanist wearing a satanic symbol.

But nobody cares about a strict application of scripture. They use new age translations because then the brains do not have to work so hard, they think they are biblically correct where in fact they are only political correct, and many Christians see this and condemn it as "conformed to the world". And so it is! But these are wiped away as "conservatives" and "ludicrous".

It's very hard for me to see this every time again.

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And my reasons are biblical unlike yours. You have NO biblical standing why wearing dreads to outreach to rastas is wrong.


Oh yes I have. For one, the way you are doing it, really is manipulation and imposing. When you say you wear dreads to "reach" dreads, and I presume you speak about true dreads here not the barbersaloon yuppies, you are manipulating and you are an imposter. Why? Because you are not a dread yourself! I know that many, many, many Rastafarians see right through this and they only see it as a confirmation that this western christianity really is babylon.

For JAH is TRUTH. REALITY. NO LIES.

And when you pretend to be a dread but you are not a dread, just someone with uncombed hair looking at it just as a hairstyle, you are not in the truth and reality and honesty.

And JAH NEVER says go out and manipulate the world.

When you are a true dread, you know you ARE dread. You are dread because this is how JAH created you.

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Your just saying "your using it out of context!" while i clearly showed you how you can compare wearing dreads as the samething as paul making tim get circumised. They are both outward things that people look at.




People looking at circumcised penises? What are you talking about?



Now, okay. Seriousness.
A true dread is not someone who does not speak to people who have combved hair. That is an absurdity and sign of ignorance. A dread stands between the ballheads and other people with uncombed hair. I don't care if you comb your hair or not. If you make sense I listen, if you don't make sense I don't listen.

I most definitely do not respect "dreads" who are no dreads.


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The jews looked at wether people were circumsied. Does a rasta looks at a person with short hair equally or lesser then when someone that has dreads also talks to them? That awnser would best be someone that is outreaching to rastas. Like Jah Pickany. Jah Pickany, do you think you would be equally accepted if you had short hair when talking to people that have dreads?


I think I am one of the persons to ask such a question. I answered some of it in the above paragraph. As for Christafari, they do realize that they were on the wrong way because they have changed their "focus" from Rastas to "universalists" or "new agers". Besides, look at their (and JP's) concert agenda, you will see most of the performances are in some Christian event or Church. No problem with that, but you can hardly speak about people who are "reaching out to" outside-church people. This is also clear when you read why Christafari does not use the Name of JAH anymore in their new releases. Their influence in the Rastafarian Communities all over the world have not been that big, but instead their influence in the Christian World is.
Not every Rasta wears dreads, by the way. That alone should answer your question.
Study on. You'll see that most christians with lox do it to "look cool". If they give any spiritual meaning to their hair it's the aburd interpretation of the Corinthians Scripture. But it's only, in their own words also, "a biblical justification" of a hairstyle. And this justification is applied in situations as described by the original poster of this thread. Now then, do you honostly think that the guy's "pastor" would take that argument serious? No he wouldn't. He would crush it down and the guy who wrote the original post would be left totally confused.

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And somebody laughs very hard. And it's not me.

Yep, and it can be the very oposite person you think is laughing.


Oh yes, I forgot all about you........

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By doing what you are describing, you are not only totally wrong in applieing certain scriptures, you are making a fool and a clown of yourself, and a mockery of the gospel.

I'm not making a mockery of the gospel. I did not say "Go with the satanist and do their cerimonies". And perhaps Timothy was made a fool and clown of himself in front of the Jews. Maybe not. It is the same for us. We might be made a fool or we might be accepted. It depends on the other person.


When you say Rastafari is na religion worshipping a different God then the God of the Bible (Timothy Situation not about a different God), then you can not apply the Corinthians Scripture. When you do, you would be doing the same as "being a satanist with the satanists". I am NOT saying Rastafari is a religion worshipping a different god then the Christian JAH, so I am NOT making the comparance. I am only showing why you can not apply the scripture. I was hoping you and others would understand then why it would be impossible to apply the scripture, but instead you go philosophising how it would match the situation. Unbelievable shocking. Really.

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And then they will be taken good care off in the churchical system. They will be tauight how to listen to the preacher and "respect" the "ones placed above him" until he gets sick of that and leaves the Christian Faith as a desillusioned, bitter man.

That statement just shows how rebelious you are. And how open you are to the word.


I am very open to the Word, YESUS KRISTOS IS THE WORD. I Read the Bible too. Because the Bible is the written word of JAH which is a lamp for my foot. I am born again on august 6, 1985 as an 18 year old bwaay. I love my Saviour very much, for it is because of YESUS KRISTOS the INCARNATED JAH that I live, that I am able to type this, that I am who I am and that I go to ZION HEIGHTS which is the DWELLING PLACE OF JAH. And when I reach there, I will see Haile Selassie too. We will both sing praises to the Almighty JAH.

Until that time, I live here and I observe, analyse and warn people to think for themselves. To trust JAH and to pray to the Almighty in the Name of YESUS KRISTOS. JAHOSHUA HA MASHIACH. JESUS THE MESSIAH. JEZUS DE MESSIAS.

I'm born and raised in the christian world, my father is a 75 year old preacherman who still preaches every week almost. I have a lot of respect for him. He taught me to think for myself. Not to trust a "pastor" just because he says he's a "pastor". JAH gave me brains too. Not so that any system can fill it, but so that I can develope myself.

I know that some call it "rebelious". Especially in cults, and strickt groups where there is much "shepherding". Where people are literally been told WHAT to think.

I'm not a rebel against YESUS KRISTOS. I do not rebel against HIS BOOK of BOOKS. I do rebel against mental slavery.
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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2004 15:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Besides, look at their (and JP's) concert agenda, you will see most of the performances are in some Christian event or Church. No problem with that, but you can hardly speak about people who are "reaching out to" outside-church people.


Most of these events do bring in non-Christian people. They are outreach concerts. Other times it is for the support of the churches or other worthy ministries that I perform there. Also for their support for my ministry. Every missionary needs the backing from Christians. For prayer, financial, and moral support. My focus with my mnistry is not to entertain Christians. It is first and foremost a ministry to the lost - be they Rastafarians, ghetto youth, pagan, etc. Secondly it is to edify beleivers and encourage people to trust in the Lord.

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PostPosted: 26 Mar 2004 19:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the confirmation. Any comments about the other things?
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