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DO YOU CARE ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE FACTS?
OF COURSE, BROTHA
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PostPosted: 14 Feb 2004 15:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze,
you are right about it not being a voting type of thing, but it does show exactly where God has the value, and focus and what is important to Him. That is plain. Of course He wants for us to be happy BUT is that in Him, or because of something that we had to take into our bodies to experience? I think that is plain....
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PostPosted: 14 Feb 2004 17:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then why is it blown out of proportions here, then? Why are there more words here that are about judging ganjasmokers then there are about things that really matter?

I know that because of the church system and it's conformism towards babylon system people are excluded from being recognized as Full Iah in Christ for the simple reason they smoke herb.
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PostPosted: 14 Feb 2004 22:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have stretched the issue from the action of smoking to the person who smokes... That is not the point. The action is sinful in my eyes, and 95% of the folks that I know, that next step of judging a person is another deal all together. God is Judge of man, not me or you or anyone else...
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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2004 03:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point obviously is, that ofcourse there are many more mentions of the glory of JAH then the jollyfication of wine, because it is not the issue.

It's the ones who are convinced that ganja is a sin who make it such a big issue.

You see that illustrated in the various threads that evolved in the last months.

Very, very interesting indeed:

Argumentation is used that does not proof to be universally applicable, inwardly contradicting each other on crucial issues, admittedly to find a way to convince the opposing view.

Sometimes even going in a direction that crosses the biblical borders.

An example of that: It's admitted that because of the political correct view of the christian world, which completely coincidental is equal to the babylonian system, the anti-herb stance is being maintained in spite of poor biblical and practical foundations and at the cost of facing genuine opposition of the very group which is said to be the "target group".

No offense, stricktly sense.
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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2004 05:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly have no idea what you meant..............
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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2004 11:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's really too bad....

I gave a summary of what is discussed thus far and I added to that what could be the possible consequences of parrotting the political view of mainstream christianity on herb in relation to the declared "target audience".
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PostPosted: 16 Feb 2004 08:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

MD, I don't take to your point of view of this "united churchical" system which you often refer to, and this goes into the 'white jesus' thread as well. The churches out here are not as united in stances as you may think. Especially out here in Alabama, segregation of the races is very very evident.

We are seeing more and more "world churches" or "international" churches where many cultures blend. Sometimes this is a theory more so than a practice but not because of the church, but because of the people. The people come and bring their friends to an international church.. in Alabama.. more than likely it's going to become predominantly Black. In California you will see something different, etc. and so on.

But back to the issue: we all learn from our upbringings and our past, and younger generations of Christians are alot more accepting of new and different ways that blend in with traditions of the past, and so they become new traditions. Point being that the church... a church in of itself takes a stand on an issue of smoking for instance. MY church does not condone smoking period, so the issue of Marijuana is null and void. I made an individual choice to smoke, but it was not out of rebellion against the church's viewpoint. God showed me that it was not his will. I am quite aware of this "churchical view" that you speak of, but for me it is more of a cultural and traditional view. We as individuals take these views into the church and can make it a church-political issue but it is not.

If someone does not agree with a principle set by the church they should have the right to counsel with the elders/pastor about the issue and come to a resolve. I honestly could not say what happens if a brother or sister is found by the pastor to be doing something out of church principles.. and it becomes an issue of confusion and disfellowship within the church.. then it is dealt with and yes, it does become nasty and that's when the situation arises where they say "oh, the church has become political."

My point is that when you reason sometimes it's as if your experiences speak out of knowledge of all churches within the West and United States which is just not true. No 2 churches within the same denomination deal with things alike.

It seems as though your line of reasoning about herb is along the same lines as many Rastas that smoke herb out of the rebellion against the Christian church. it is a very judgemental reasoning in itself, but at the same time they say judge not. Hypocritical too is it not? considering the roots of the movement came from the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian church. The reasoning to say that Marijuana is the healing as the Rasta way of life is placing the focus.. or blurring the focus away from Christ. And your itations are all about the Christ being the center.

It makes 200% sense to say that to judge someone's actions as sin is wrong. And yes, many who are conservative Christians are running this US nation into the ground with their political war against drugs. But to say mainstream Christianity... I don't know what that is. I am no mainstream Christian. I don't go along with everyone's flow. Maybe we can explore this in another thread.
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PostPosted: 16 Feb 2004 13:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ernie,

Most every post that you make I am amazed at the level of thinking that I see in your observations. You are of great value to this forum.

You are quite right. I have a very large church with several hundreds members. We are extremely open to the black community. The largest part of our outside ministry is located in Africa. We are located very close to mainly black communities in the town. Yet there are only a handful, less than five black familes that go to our church. I find that to be very sad. Your view of World churches is right on too. The partner Chruch that we have is a very unsual. It is lead by a man named Antoine Monsogo. He is from Camoroon Afirica and speaks English with HEAVY accent, but his ministry is to Spanish speaking people in Atlanta... Through him we are also involved in ministry work in Costa Rica. BUt anyways the point is that you are right that there seems to be a huge differance between churches even with in the same denomination in focus and attitude. Ours is focused on Redemption. ( I hope that others are too, but many seem to be looking elsewhere)

Now in regards to the stand on Marijuna with in the context of Church teachings...my Church is very conservative, in it's doctrines. So it stands to reason that they are consistant in thier doctrine of outside substances of any kind. Even ciggarettes. Though that is not the focus of any message from the Pulpit. The message there is freedom from sin of anykind and how to have it.
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