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DO YOU CARE ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE FACTS?
OF COURSE, BROTHA
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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2004 20:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jah Son,
I don't think you know my reasoning. I agree that hemp has many great uses and also we (society) should be allowed to use it for it's many uses. I am against smoking it, but you can read many many posts about that on other threads.

I used to use hemp salve for my childrens diaper rash and for my chapped lips. I have had hemp clothes which are very durable and I know that hemp produces more cellulose than trees and root structures hold mountain sides together better than tress and on and on and on ....

But in Genesis it says ALL seed bearing tress etc... (paraphrase) So is the apple tree also the healing??? COME ON!

It does not say in Genesis about it being the healing of the nations. So it is your opinion and only your opinion that this is the case. There is NO biblical proof which lines up with your reasoning. And I will say again IF you are saying the tree in Revelation is what you are talking about then you would be wrong then also. The tree is JESUS CHRIST and HE alone will heal the nations.


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I have a question for you... Are the Homosexuals that are getting married while it is against the law tearing down Babylon or building it up?



Blaminack, the bible is clear about homosexual activity. Not so much about weed. That's the way I see it. Anything relating to homosexuality is a part of babylon because it says so in scripture.

As you have read ; I am not FOR smoking weed but it is hard for me to say it is a universal sin because GOD is about a relationship and this relationship is between believers and CHRIST. And if it is not in contradiction of scripture then it is up to us to yield to what the Spirit of GOD is saying. It is not up to us to tell others what GOD'S spirit says to them. I know many people who are struggling with weed. Christians. And therefore I pray that this stuggle will end for them. However, I also know people who do not have convictions about smoking. Christians. But these christians may have convictions about gossip or lying. I will pray for these struggles they have with what they say they need prayer for, not what I think they need prayer for. Do I make sense? I find it hard to write what I want to say.


I do agree with what you saying about justifying sinful ways by saying it is in rebellion of the babylon system. But this is to be expected in these last days. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS O.K. But it seems to be more a cultural difference about herb than a universal sin. I think it is simular to alcohol cosumption in Europe also. Many christians do not have a problem with drinking wine. Where as some think we should not drink it at all. WHOSE RIGHT??????
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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2004 22:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

INI SAID: ITS IN GENESIS 1

WARRIOR SAID: But in Genesis it says ALL seed bearing tress etc... (paraphrase) So is the apple tree also the healing??? COME ON!


WARRIOR, THIS IS WHY WE CALL IT THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS:

IF THE APPLE TREE WAS AS LUCRATIVE AS HEMP, BABYLON WOULD HAVE A "SECRET MONOPOLY" ON IT TOO. THUS BY ALTERING THE NATURAL ORDER OF THE APPLE TREE, BABYLON WOULD ALTER NATURE'S BALANCE WITH MAN AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE SICKENING (DEATH/ANTI-LIFE) OF JAH LAND.
TO BRING FORWARD THAT NATURAL ORDER, TO RESTORE FULLNESS OF LIFE (CHRIST), WOULD IN ALL TRUTH BE A HEALING UNTO THE NATIONS.
SO YES, I CAN SEE THE LIFE EVEN IN THE APPLE TREE, FIG TREE, AND HEMP TREE.
CAN YOU SEE? THIS IS WHAT IS NOW HAPPENING WITH HEMP!
LIFE IS THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS.
LIFE IS THE ULTIMATE TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST. BIRTH, DEATH, AND RESSURECTION.
PRESENTLY, THE CORRUPTION IN HIGH PLACES IS CAUSING THE SICKENING (ANTI-LIFE/ANTI-CHRIST) OF JAH NATIONS.
THAT'S WHY WE SAY: "YES THEY KNOW HERB IS THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS". CAN YOU OVERSTAND INI NOW?
YOU YOURSELF KNOW ALREADY THAT THE TREE OF LIFE (CHRIST) IS THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION. ETERNAL LIFE IS ETERNAL LIFE! YESTERDAY (PAST), TODAY (PRESENT), AND FOREVER!!
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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2004 23:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jah Son,
Why do we (people) seem not to communicate "appropriately"? No answer needed.

That is the clearest post I have read from you yet, on this thread. Thank you.

I overstand more and more each time/moment that I reason with bredren.
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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2004 00:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Blaminack, the bible is clear about homosexual activity. Not so much about weed. That's the way I see it. Anything relating to homosexuality is a part of babylon because it says so in scripture.]

Yes I agree totally and that is exactly why I asked the questions. I am not saying that they are the same as smoking weed, but the tactics of rebellion is! That is my point. Breaking the law to force a social issue that doesn't lead to Godliness is wrong. The tactics of smoking weed to tear down Babylon is EXACLTY the same tactic of Sodomites marrying to tear down the laws that they disagree with.
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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2004 09:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

The laws that forbid people to smoke herb are not righteous. Not in motive, not in practice, not in results. So mind what you support.
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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2004 16:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am quite sure that the Sodomites belief the same thing about the laws pertaining to them... What are your reasons for disagreement that the tactics are not the same?
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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2004 01:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

MD, the issue of the mainstream church taking a stance against herb as far as calling it a sin is understood. Thank goodness we have forums and discussions that we can come together as Rastas and as Christians to exchange thoughts is greater.

I used to wonder in amazement why the Caribbean churches and really conservatives had such a big problem with (true) rastas. If Rastas are as spiritual about their lives and take it seriously there should be a place for debate and discussion, but there was not. You can make quotes about 99% of churches being against herb but I know for a fact that it is not true because I know the people of the church(es) that I have attended.
When I started to smoke I was at a Christian school, in a Christian dormitory. What does that say about the people of this "churchical" system? It says that people are the ones who make the decision to smoke or not to.

We church-goers are not a bunch of robots walking in and out of a building every Sabbath and Sunday worshipping the pastor. There does not even have to be a building with a steeple, but some buildings are like that and some are not. At least that's what I get from what you wrote. We know about evil racist people who claim to be Christians and are leaders and are part of the KKK and all of that stuff, unfortunately it is a part of the church system but that kind of behaviour/lifestlye/belief is not a part of God's will. So the most important thing to recognize is God's will.

I think that it is very appropriate to recognize when Babylon is taking over mindsets and I think that's what your main point is. Also important is to recognize that we fight not against flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness. There is also a time and a place to speak out against these things. For instance I agree with you on TBN's approach, I would do things alot differently myself. But recognize that for every 1 person they bring the message of salvation to there is purpose in their being a TBN. What did Jesus say about the one lost sheep, right?

There are many members in the church that take on the stances and opinions of the pastor/clergy without knowing what they are and why. That to me is nonsense. That shows me that they are empty vessels. But 99%? I don't think so. I alone am not that 1%.

That story that you wrote of the lady that took the sign down is sad and it sounds like it was a politically motivated idea. Sounds like the same issue of the ten commandments debate they had out here awhile back.

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Still it is very very evident that all the churches come from the same root. The established church, the church accepted by babylon system. When you read history you see always that what is called "the church" works hand in hand with the system to keep the people stupid, poor and ignorant.

Understood. This is not only in church though. People that are weak minded fall prey to these things and yes the leaders of these churches who do these things will reap god's judgment.

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How can anyone "rebel" against the "christian church"? What nonsense is that? What authority does this "church" have? To smoke herb is to rebel against babylon system because babylon doesn't want the people to smoke herb, babylon wants the people to eat ritalin. And a lot of "churches" conform to babylon dungstem.

Alright maybe I did not write that as clearly as I thought. Some rastas "light up the chalice to "bun down rome" which I don't believe to be God's way of dealing with false religion or doctrines. Without digressing into the other threads again, I can't see how God would ask me to do something physically unhealthy for his Kingdom. If you do then I guess I have a problem with God.

What ideas do you have about an underground church? I would like to hear that.
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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2004 18:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

CP, give thanks for another contribution. We had a nice DUB party yesterday, and it's 17.30 here and I err just woke up
But it's allways a nice wake up to read some posting and to reply to it.

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You can make quotes about 99% of churches being against herb but I know for a fact that it is not true because I know the people of the church(es) that I have attended.


Okay, what would be your estimation?

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When I started to smoke I was at a Christian school, in a Christian dormitory. What does that say about the people of this "churchical" system? It says that people are the ones who make the decision to smoke or not to.


I smoked my first joint age 14 at a pentecostal church festival in the Netherlands. I don't know what that says.... Ofcourse people make the decision. But what happens if people take that decision and do not plan to play the hypocrite? Sure there are people who smoke and they hide that they smoke because they fear the consequences coming out of the system.

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We church-goers are not a bunch of robots walking in and out of a building every Sabbath and Sunday worshipping the pastor. There does not even have to be a building with a steeple, but some buildings are like that and some are not. At least that's what I get from what you wrote.


Yeah, well, I do respect each opinnion when it is argumentated, therefore thoughtfull. As long as people are able to independantly participate in a discussion, I would say these people are not robots at all. And for me to say that going to the building called church is a sin I would not say a thing like that. All I am saying is that this whole churchical system has nothing to do with the biblical definition of church. And every good pastor would agree with that. Every good pastor would agree that the Christians make up the church.

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We know about evil racist people who claim to be Christians and are leaders and are part of the KKK and all of that stuff, unfortunately it is a part of the church system but that kind of behaviour/lifestlye/belief is not a part of God's will. So the most important thing to recognize is God's will.


They are part of what I call the "churchical system", but then I wouldn't call that the church as defined in the Bible. However, if I do identify myself with the churchical system, seeing myself as part of it, I have to deal with the reality of false doctrines and I have to give it it's place too. There is no other way to be able to function in that system. On the other hand you can also visit the denomination-of-your-choice without feeling a part of that system. But you could be able to recognize JAH's church inside of a certain denomination. It might be nitpicking (correct word?) but it is not if you think about the consequences.

For centuries the socalled church has done horrible things. This is now well known to most people on the face of this planet. We now have also the situation in which Christians (feel that they have to) defend all these things. I do not know how many times I have heard people defending slavery in a way, by saying that "the church" wasn't against slavery because of the thought of that time. Like they were stupid a few centuries ago. But all the way the true Christians have stood up against slavery while the false christians have been using religion to keep people down.

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I think that it is very appropriate to recognize when Babylon is taking over mindsets and I think that's what your main point is.


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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For instance I agree with you on TBN's approach, I would do things alot differently myself. But recognize that for every 1 person they bring the message of salvation to there is purpose in their being a TBN. What did Jesus say about the one lost sheep, right?


Yesus said that HE HIMSELF would find that sheep. He did not say that the wolfes would find the sheep. Yesus said about TBN that they go all over the world to find disciples in order to make them worse then they are themselves.

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There are many members in the church that take on the stances and opinions of the pastor/clergy without knowing what they are and why. That to me is nonsense. That shows me that they are empty vessels. But 99%? I don't think so. I alone am not that 1%.


To me it concerns me that these people are maintaining their dependancy without any sign from the pastor that they should find out stuff for themselves?

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That story that you wrote of the lady that took the sign down is sad and it sounds like it was a politically motivated idea. Sounds like the same issue of the ten commandments debate they had out here awhile back.


Sounds like that thing I heard, they wanted me to perform somewhere but said I shouldn't speak about JAH too much because of the satanists in the audience and they could be hurted

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Still it is very very evident that all the churches come from the same root. The established church, the church accepted by babylon system. When you read history you see always that what is called "the church" works hand in hand with the system to keep the people stupid, poor and ignorant.
Understood. This is not only in church though. People that are weak minded fall prey to these things and yes the leaders of these churches who do these things will reap god's judgment.


Will they also be identified by us? Will they be exposed?

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What ideas do you have about an underground church? I would like to hear that.


I have an idea that this will be the future church all over the planet. As we are heading towards a satanic world government (and I hope that everyone sees that) it is clear that the church has to forward without the system. All the established churches are infiltrated by new age style doctrines and principals, pretty soon a registration and all that comes, then babylon knows who visits which church. You can't trust a church that has a marriage with the babylonian system. So in short, I think the underground church is the church that babylon can never identify. For the rest, I suggest you read something about Richard Wurmbrand and so on. I believe the time is near that truly believing in Yesus Kristos as the DIVINE Lord and Saviour, the only Way, will be outlawed.
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