FAQFAQ    SearchSearch    MemberlistMemberlist    UsergroupsUsergroups 
 ProfileProfile    You have no new messagesYou have no new messages    Log out [ Messian Dread ]Log out [ Messian Dread ] 

How To Witness To A Christafarian
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Lion of Zion Forum Index -> Rasta and Ganja Reasoning
View previous topic :: View next topic  

This book is a welcome addition to the literature on Christianity and Rastafari
  Yes!
  No, It is subervise literature
View Results
Author Message
Messian Dread
Forum Veteran


Joined: 27 Jul 2002
Posts: 1083
Location: Fryslân

PostPosted: 14 Oct 2004 23:43    Post subject: How To Witness To A Christafarian Reply with quote

CHRISTAFARIANISM or “Don’t Be A Rasta, Be Like A Rasta”

An analysis of and alternative to the meditations of Christafari

WRITTEN BY MESSIAN DREAD, THE NETHERLANDS, OCTOBER 2001 - OCTOBER 2004


In what arguably could be called the first serious study of the Christafari phenomenon, Messian Dread tells the story of his seven yearlong research into this controversy.

He reports from the frontline he’s been on from 2001 until 2004, studying and communicating Christafarians on their own ground.By analysing publications and where necessary getting additional information, digging through the distractions and contradictions, a bigger picture comes to the surface which has never before been so clearly exposed.

From Christafari to Christafarianism to Christafarian, what you will find in this heavily documented and footnoted essay is that this carefully created culture turns out to be an Evangelical caricature of Rastafarian culture which puts Evangelical and Rastafarian Christians in a totally unnecessary state of war with each other and amongst themselves.

A MUST READ for Rastafarians, Evangelicals and Christafarians!

The FREE essay can be downloaded as a 60 page e-book in PDF format for offline reading, printing and sharing over the Internet.

http://www.dubroom.org/christafari

Below you will find a sample Chapter.
_________________
One Love,
Messian Dread.
Webmaster, http://www.dubroom.com/
Personal Site: http://messiandread.dubroom.org/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Messian Dread
Forum Veteran


Joined: 27 Jul 2002
Posts: 1083
Location: Fryslân

PostPosted: 14 Oct 2004 23:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

HOW TO WITNESS TO A CHRISTAFARIAN

When one browses through the Christafari website, reading all the material that we are discussing in this essay, one finally lands on the Christafari message boards.
This is where much communication goes on.
There are three people working for Christafari as “moderators”, at least two of them convinced Christafarians.
In a place on the Forum with the name “Witnessing to Rastas” you can also participate in what is called “Rasta and Ganja Reasoning”.
This is where I have spent hundreds of hours since I originally wrote my essay, then an 18-page article.
Throughout a few years I was reading, writing and reasoning there directly with Christafarians on their own ground. This enabled me to study and document Christafarianism even further.
While they were fiercely “witnessing to Rastas”, I was trying to find out how to witness to a Christafarian.
Not that they were really “witnessing to Rastas”, and not that I found out how to witness to a Christafarian.
In that I miserably failed, I must confess.
But nevertheless I was provided with a first row seat in the Christafari laboratory while the fruits of this evangelical correct mix of “Rastafari” and “Christianity” materialized before my very eyes.
I documented the manifestation of the fears in my vision as I saw Rastafarians who attempted to reason with the Christafarians, trying to address the very same points addressed in this essay with a kind of humbleness I can only write about, leaving the place in a silence that can only be interpretate as a state of total shock.
Cold shivers ran over my back every time a Christafarian denied the faith of a brother in Kristos just because this brother is a Rastafarian.
Horror filled me when provocateurs were given free speech to express disdain over almost every aspect of Rastafari, using the teachings of Christafari to proof their points to an audience that was absolutely not hindered by the presence of any knowledge concerning that very movement they imitate to feel good in their own world at the expense of their Christian Idren in Rastafari.
My friends punched me hard to proof that I wasn’t dreaming when Christafari took away the Name of JAH in their future releases only to stick with a word “God”, which has a pagan etymological background, in an attempt to stop Christafarians from becoming “too rasta”.
Where the name JAH is a thousand times more valid to describe the Most High then the word “God”, making it one of the last valid points within Christafarianism, it turned out that in order to continue Christafarianism, only the “christafarized” aspects of Rastafari can remain.
I broke my mind over the question how to break through this matrix where the Christafarians experience their virtual reality in.
My mind went back in time to re-experience the years in which I came to know this phenomenon in the hope to find an answer.
Being from an evangelical back ground myself, and because of my Jah given identity having connections with the movement of Rastafari too, I became aware of the controversies that follow Christafari wherever they go shortly after my introduction to “the first American Christian reggae band”.
As far back as 1996 I initially did some “damage control” for Christafari on several occasions in which Rastafarians expressed their outrage over publications about Christafari in which the movement of Rastafari was being discredited in what later turned out to be the house style of the Christafarians.
I have already mentioned the article in which Rastafari was portrayed as a group of people supporting to kill all white people. There was another article in which Christafari was described laughing over the death of Bob Marley.
My “damage control” consisted out of contacting Mark Mohr and asking him to rectify the statements in the articles. Back then I really couldn’t believe that someone who I thought was a Yesus Dread would actually discredit the movement of Rastafari in Christian publications.
Although he did express that he was not the source of the information and that he also had never laughed over Bob Marley’s death, this was being done in the same way as it is done today. Public statements for the massive and private statements for damage control.
I’m prepared to help an overzealous brother who makes mistakes out of the trouble he’s gotten himself into and I’m willing to go far for that.
Twice I told my Rastafarian brothers about the private emails I received. When it happened a third time I woke up and smelled the coffee.
The coffee did its work. I began a seven yearlong journey to find out why there was little use in trying to ease the pressure between Christafari and Rastafarians.
What I thought were incidents caused by an overzealous ignorant American Christian reggae band had begun to form a pattern.
A pattern we know have come to know under the name of Christafarianism.
It is the philosophy that we saw exposed in this essay for what it is, the “culture” that is created to forward Christafari into the CCMIC mainstream at the expense of so many people who suffer directly because of it.
Christafarianism directly denies the faith of those within the movement of Rastafari, even those who can be considered a Christian. Christafarianism similarly labels everybody who criticizes it as an enemy of Christianity.
These expenses are kind of high in my estimation.
But without these expenses, it is impossible for Christafarianism to exist. From the name to the game to the fame, everything is based on an alleged gap between Christianity and Rastafari.
And no effort, so it seems, is spared to maintain that gap.
Fill that gap intellectually and you directly take away the foundation on which Christafarianism rests.
Fill that gap by simply existing with your Jah given identity as a Yesus Dread and find yourself back as involuntary subject of public “scrutiny” in which it doesn’t even matter what you say about Yesus Kristos or Selassie, the absence of an anti marijuana stance is enough to “doubt your salvation”.
So I didn’t only document and observe what was going on, I actively and passively participated in discussions and debates about almost every subject you can think of in this context.
Until I found that statement by Christafari, literally stating that Christafarianism was nothing more and nothing less than the culture Christafari created with their fan base to get a place at the top of the CCMIC, the Christian Contemporary Musical Industrial Complex.
Then I realized why there is little use to try to ease the pressure between Rastafarians and Christafari.
But that doesn’t say a thing about the Christafarians!
As we saw before, the Christafarians are taken into a certain mindset that pictures Rastafarians as enemies of Yesus Kristos, ready to use violence against the Christians.
Can we blame the Christafarian when all the info he gets comes from evangelical sources?
No.
But we also shouldn’t leave the Christafarian in the position in which he finds himself in now.
The crucial question is: how do we achieve that?
I found out the hard way, what shouldn’t be done in order to get the Christafarian out of the dangerous position he unknowingly finds himself in?
Before you know it you find yourself in the middle of a debate in which you will never be able to reach to the point because of the many distractions.
It can’t be done by writing letters to Christafari in which it is explained how the definition of Rastafari and the methodology of “witnessing to Rastas” have no biblical and logical basis, because at best you’ll get a private response.
It can’t also be done by trying to publicly debate Christafari associates, regardless of the abundance of argumentation, in the hope that the thirsty Christafarian who reads along realizes his thirst.
But it can be done if we witness to the Christafarian.
Show him how to drink, not only where the water is. Drink from the water of your argumentation. Witness what the water does with you.
He will then realize his thirst and wonder how he could ever been so blind to deny the faith of so many of his Brothers and Sisters in Yesus Kristos who are born again through Messiah Yeshua just as he.
_________________
One Love,
Messian Dread.
Webmaster, http://www.dubroom.com/
Personal Site: http://messiandread.dubroom.org/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
warrior
Forum Veteran


Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Posts: 417
Location: Between Canaan and Egypt

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 18:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOAH! And I thought this time you spent here was for the pure reasonings not to use those you reason with as guinea pigs for your little discover channel search for the long lost christafarian! Baaahhh I feel sheepish!

I know you have described a christafarian but I am still confused with what one of these creatures is.


Quote:
He will then realize his thirst and wonder how he could ever been so blind to deny the faith of so many of his Brothers and Sisters in Yesus Kristos who are born again through Messiah Yeshua just as he.


I guess alot would not be "argued" if any of either "named party" would just come out and say that they ARE born again through Messiah Yeshua instead of trying to prove that the other is incorrect about the geneologies, blood line names, herbal use, etc.....

I thought this is what reasoning is.....to discuss things with brothhers and sisters to trully find a common ground. Now that common ground should be the rock of our salvation Yeshua the Messiah. However, when one says that the Messiah is someone other than JAH in the flesh (Yesus the Christ) then it is hard to call them a brother in one faith when their very faith is in something other than Yesus.

But I remember once last year when I got alittle soft and wrote something like "Atleast we won't be arguing when Yesus has come back to reclaim this place as His own and we are in the new Jerusalem".

And you told me that this was what reasoning was. I thought I was overstanding what you told me. (you probably don't remember this)

But now I have been deceived (I feel) because you were not teaching me or anyone to reason but it seems you were just baiting your hook.

I personally do not know what a christafarian is and I don't really care to know. One thing I do know is that I will find it harder to simply open up and "debate" "discuss" "reason" about scriptures,culture etc.....Knowing that there may be an agenda (other than pure reasoning) with the person I am "talking" with.[/i]
_________________
Isaiah 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
coolpoete
Forum Veteran


Joined: 14 Jul 2002
Posts: 319
Location: From St. Maarten, living in Alabama

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 19:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

warrior, before you critisize have you read through the pamphelt/book? I think you would be surprised. I have skimmed through some of it and will hold my comments till I finish reading the whole thing. He put alot of work into this. The comments in his post are somewhat of a summary but the pamphlet explains alot more.
_________________
Enter the mind of the CoolPoet
http://www.geocities.com/coolpoete
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
warrior
Forum Veteran


Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Posts: 417
Location: Between Canaan and Egypt

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coolpoete,
I really didn't mean to critisize. I feel very "used" and I was expressing that frustration.

My apologies to Messian Dread.
I have gained much respect for Messian Dread and Jah has used him to show me things that I have not yet heard or seen. But I feel now that it was done in vain if he was only reasoning to draw conclusions about his study of "christafarians".

And I personally do not want to be lumped into any certain group of believers because of what I have posted on this web site. And I believe he is saying a simular statement with certain accusations about ras ta farians being thrown around here and every where else for that matter.

I ask questions and present statemants because I am confused on why people believe things. Or say they follow ways or teachings. Or why people hold so strongly to things which seem so meaningless to me.


No, I haven't read it all and I will download it and print it. Maybe not today but after the weekend.
_________________
Isaiah 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
aaronjudah
Forum Veteran


Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Posts: 101
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 19:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree w/ coolpoete. If you don't read the information before you post, you are only enforcing some of the information contained in the booklet. If you go into defense mode before you read the material, how can you inteligently discuss it? You can't.
_________________
http://www.aaronjudah.com/
RasTafari Meditation
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
JonaGus
Forum Veteran


Joined: 08 Jul 2004
Posts: 483
Location: Alexandria

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 20:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it's going to take a long time to read, but I'm looking forward to it.
_________________
Do you remember when they crucified the Christ? There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane Selassie
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
warrior
Forum Veteran


Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Posts: 417
Location: Between Canaan and Egypt

PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 21:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronjudah
Quote:
I agree w/ coolpoete. If you don't read the information before you post, you are only enforcing some of the information contained in the booklet. If you go into defense mode before you read the material, how can you inteligently discuss it? You can't.


What? I did read the info. I was posting only on what I read. There is nothing wrong with that. I will read it, but I posted about what I read.

I apologized for any way that I offended Messian.

But thanks for the input aaronjudah, nothing like beating a dead horse.

I just downloaded it and it will be read.
_________________
Isaiah 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Lion of Zion Forum Index -> Rasta and Ganja Reasoning All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 1 of 6
Stop watching this topic
 
Jump to:  
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB 2.0.8 © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group