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This book is a welcome addition to the literature on Christianity and Rastafari
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warrior
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PostPosted: 15 Oct 2004 22:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read the first 3 chapters and like I said I respect and enjoy Messians reasonings. However, the last year and a half I have heard all this from him through his reasonings on this forum and as a visitor on the dubroom. So far I am not reading anything new ( except for the Buju incident, I had no idea). I will read the rest and continue my posting.
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2004 00:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warrior: The posting here is an excerpt, just a chapter. Be it a closing chapter. Ofcourse it enters somewhere in the middle.

If you feel you are not a part of a group then you do you feel adressed to?

In the chapter, which is written a bit illustrative, it is made clear that i was not the one "guinea pigging". It's not my laboratory. As you can read I said I was sitting on the seat while seeing the results of someone else's experiment come to existance and i tried to prevent the most worst results.

My "experiment" is trying to find ways to communicate. Trying to find the situation for reasoning.

I found myself as part of discussion before I posted here too.

Thank you for reading.

And not banning me yet
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2004 03:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am on page 21 and haven't found anything that has not been said already. So I doubt that a banning is going to transpire.
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2004 05:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze, I just finished reading your essay. I made a few notes on some points that I would like to discuss.

I understand the points made quite clearly. I found the parts about the CCM very interesting, though I don't agree with all of the points there, I do agree with much, and that is in part why I don't listen to CCM music much.

I also agree with parts about what you call Xianity, that I call Churchianity.

By the way, I am by no means a "convinced Christafarian" if you were refering to me (and I am sure that you were) in the Wintessing to Christafarian section.

One small critique that I would like to make is that you have lumped so many of the people here into the "Christafarian" idea that I think that you have made some of the stereotyping mistakes that you accuse LOZ of in regards to the percieved view of Rasta.


I will get in to more of this tommorow night.
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2004 14:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had planned to post an extended response to M. Dread's booklet (very interesting and well thought out). However, I've decided against it.

After reading this booklet of Messian Dread, Reading a copy of Mark Mohr's planned book (sent to me by Mohr), reading some private correspondence sent to me by individuals who wanted the info to remain confidential, I have decided that LOZ and Xfari are not a wise place to expend energy any longer.

Mohr and the message of Xfari are full of contradictions and confusing messages. I can only assume that the moderators on this board have been kept in the dark about certain topics or feel it necessary to "defend" Xfari against perceived enemies of the gospel.

When I see the information that is portrayed in the public and then balance it against what goes on in private, I can only conclude that Mohr is Babylonian and/or confused or worried about guaranteeing concert dates and cd sales in the Xian market. I am going to assume that he is simply confused.

Messian Dread's booklet is too polite in his handling of the Xfari issue. This is just my opinion.

1. Mohr was never a RasTafari. Read his interviews/bios and do the math. 1 1/2 years of livity all before he was 18. Think about it.
2. The FAQ's will never be updated. I would bet money on this.
3. He rarely engages in the RasTafari dialogue (In more ways than simply this forum.)

Honestly, I don't even want to finish this list. I've got enough information from people to raise all sorts of issues, but it's not worth it. In order to verify some of the things that I would say, I would have to name the people that told me. My intention is to leave Mohr and his fans and supporters to their own devices.

Everyone says this when they get frustrated and then change their minds, but this is my last post. Xfari, Xfarians, LOZ is some sort of machine of misinformation.
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2004 15:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill wrote:
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One small critique that I would like to make is that you have lumped so many of the people here into the "Christafarian" idea that I think that you have made some of the stereotyping mistakes that you accuse LOZ of in regards to the percieved view of Rasta.


Yes, I feel this too. Messian and I have not hadmnay conversations. Recently there was one where some differences were settled but besides that most of what he knows of me is just speculation.

I am by no means a "Christafarian." I do not follow the teachings of Mark Mohr as Messian Dread seems to think that I do. Mark Mohr is a friend but I do not think he is always right nor do I agree with everything he says. I am a follower of Christ. I am a Christian. And I realize that the term Christian is also thrown around a lot nowadays too, so what I mean by that is someone who has put their faith in the messiah Jesus Christ, Yesus, Yeshua, the Prince of Peace, the Son of God who became a man to die and save humanity from an eternity of condemnation, and rose again and now sits at the right side of God the Father. Who was and is, and is to come again.

Christ is my Lord and His word is the first and final authority of my life.
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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2004 16:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

I overstand what Aaron Judah is talking about. Not that I know the correspondence he has, but I have similar correspondence here. I also know things that, let's say, motivates me to state what I state.

The point is that these things do confirm the conclusion and analysis, but they are kind of personal as they involve privacy-sensitive information.

Apart from the fact that it is very indecent to use privacy-sensitive material, it is also unneccesary for a variety of reasons.

Yes, indeed, politeness is an issue. Yes I agree my essay is too polite. I have intended it to be like that. And I thank Aaron Judah for recognizing that I am not in some vendetta and that my drive is love, not hate. Additionally, I think that the points which I bring forward are sufficient for people to start digging a little further, also within themselves.

JP, the essay is not about you. I quoted you just one time as far as I'm concerned, and that quote was a public quote in which you stated something which speaks for itself.

That said.............

It is interesting to see how the first reactions are more or less "Not me, I'm not a part of this in what you write".

And this even summons every reaction.

So for one time, there seems to be forming some unity.

Very interesting indeed.

Because it shows, that the points which are adressed in the essay, in themselves are not questioned.

Now please quote me wrong.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 00:15    Post subject: I hope it´s not to late... Reply with quote

I just want to say thank you for your work on this subject MD. I have downloaded your book and read some of it. I will study it carefully later on. To communicate and reason is crucial if we want to go forward in life. Some thoughts came up in my mind when I read your work and the posts here.

I respect rasta a lot. For my self it was rasta who started the journey who finally brought me to Jesus Christ. Rasta has given me a wider understanding of the world. Reggae has since I started to listen to it (about 1980) become a part of my identity. For me reggae is THE music. What I know about rasta I have learned from rastalyrics. The love for reggae was one reason that made me go to Zimbabwe (in 1988) as a student. The three month journey was the best school I had in my life. It was also there in a small village in northeastern Nyanga I first experienced the faith in Christ. The singing of psalms in the evenings. The reading of the Bible. The church who gathered under a tree in the wilderness on sunday. I felt the togetherness in Christ! Since then, years have passed and I have found Yeshua myself.

There are many difficult questions when it comes to the dark side of faith. What about wrongdoings in the name of God? Why is the church divided? False prophets. Bloodshed. Hate...

But,

reggae is the music with a message, sings Bunny Wailer, if I remember it correct. There is a lot of things that need to be told. Reggae as the voice for justice, peace and happiness. Bringing good news, the Gospel, to the people. As a christian I was happy to find Christafari because they did reggae for Christ. Rastasingers always chanted Selassie I and praise Jah Tafari! Christafari did not and for me there was a difference. Anyway all was well for some time. Then it was this reggae sunsplash tour (as you mention in your book) and Banton went mad at Mohr...

Rasta vs Christianity?

It was easy to see that things were changing from bad to worse.

At the different forums on the web there were a lot of harsh words about Christafari, even hatred. Some wanted Mark dead. I asked myself why?

MD, if we are so close to one another when it comes to faith as you say in your book how come we are so badly separated?

And what about Papa San, Stitchie and Ziggy Soul among others are they also "wolfs in sheep clothing"?

Christianity vs Rasta?

I would love to see a respectfull dialog between rasta and christianity.

I hope it´s not to late.
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