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Jah Pickney
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 18:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

By my question is if you do not believe Selassie to be Jah why continue to call yourself Rastafarian when all around the world what seems to be synonomous with Rastafari is that very thing. Although there is much more to Rastafarianism, the things that people all over the world have come to associate with it are the worship of Selassie as deity and the use of marijuana. So could it not be misleading to refer to oneself as such?

I do not mean to accuse of deception, but unintentional deception perhaps. For instance, if I were to call myself a buddist everyone here would automatically assume that I worship buddah and pracitce the elements that go along with Buddism. But what if I were a buddist that believes Christ, the son of God is the only way to salvation through His death and ressurection. And I had put my faith in Yesus. Well then really I wouldn't be a Buddist! So calling myself a Buddist when in fact I am not can be misleading. No?
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 18:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question perhaps should be:

What makes someone a Rastafarian?
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 19:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze if you want to know why I come here, it is because some one needs to. The things that you see as a defense of Christafari are in fact, a defense of my stand for the Gospel. I see you doing your best to destroy any chances of spreading the Gospel of Christ to any who need Him. I see you not as some one that is concerned for the souls of the lost. I see that you want to discredit without trying to build up. You have lowered yourself to a mere accuser of the Brethren. My defense is not of Christafari but rather to present Christ. How are you doing that? Are you preaching to the lost? Are you making an effort to explain the truth to those that are blind by a lie? No, you are here to criticize. Why? Sales...

IF you had these concerns because they hindered the Gospel being presented, then there is room to discuss things. But on the basis that you have presented your self, there is nothing further to discuss.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 20:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

JP, what is more important. The "image" that JAH has of us or the "image" that people have of us? If all people are wrong should I be wrong?

I notice that Bill again does not answer my challenge to quote me wrong.

My two questions to you both are:

-1- Are there Rastafarians who do not believe Selassie to be Jah and who do believe in Yesus Kristos as their Lord and Savior?

-2- If the answer is no, then you know the many arguments including Mohr's admittance on this forum and in private email.

If the answer is yes, then my question is why do you work for an organization that claims Rastafarian Christians are deceivers?
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 21:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a flaw in your two questions. First, I can ask you as well, are there Rastas who do believe that Selassie is God? Yes, ofcourse there are!
Of course there are some that do not.

Now you ask why, I am working for LOZ. I am not working for them. I am here so often that I volunteered to Moderate the Forum. That doesn't mean that I echo everything that Mark Mohr has ever said. On the contrary, there are places that I would have done things a bit differantly. Why do I do this? It is because I love Rastas as a people. I love the West Indian Culture that I have been exposed to. I want all people to have a chance to see Christ as Savior. This provides a place for me to do that.
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PostPosted: 17 Oct 2004 22:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian, bill makes a good point of distinguishment here as far as not employed under Christafari. Even if he was it does not mean that he is blindly agreeing/following Mark Mohr. I personally knew what I knew and believed what I believed before I was introduced to Christafari. At a christafari concert I met bill and some others who pointed me to YOUR site, the dubroom. So I started coming here and participating in discussion but I saw us all as brothers and sisters in Christ.

JP: In my own studies and my relationship with God I have come to understand that Individuality matters.. so if one identifies themselves with Rasta, and acknowledges Christ as Savior why should a Christian ask them to identify themselves as a Christian instead? IMO the journey of salvation is an individual process that is shared by many, including many Rastas. I would hold that Rasta or that Christian responsible for teaching truth to the next one. The moment that message of truth is skewed then we have to be a witness of the truth.

I have come to believe and understand the whole ministry of Christafari to be just that, un-skewing that message of truth.. but I must admit though, going back to the discussion of the FAQ's and waiting on publication from LOZ, (which I have asked Mark in person about myself) that there are things going on which I cannot understand. If Aaronjudah received a publication from Mark and LOZ that mis-represents Christianity then we have to question this.

Yet and still... Mark and Christafari are just one element that does represent Christianity, and it is IMPERATIVE that we don't DEPEND on a publication from a man to find truth and have faith and to believe in Jesus Christ. Enter here my fears of Dogma.

more to come..
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 05:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you volunteer as moderator for people who call some Iahs in Kristos deceivers and you yourself do not think they are deceivers you at least got a credibility problem. Ofcourse it's working for Christafari. Could you look that word "work" up in your dictionairy?

Question remains: Why do you volunteer to work as a moderator on a forum from people who call brothers and sisters of you deceivers and you yourself claim to be in disagreement with Christafari concerning that?

CP, why do you need a publication in the midst of publications and wait for Mark Mohr to come clean which will never come because Christafari is based on these things which you all so hastily denie as a thing of yourselfes. I see that very clearly and I am not the only one. Everybody here hastes to distances themselves from what I described as Christafarianism but the fact remains that none has of yet can quote me wrong in my description of this philosophy. The only thing you can (AND SHOULD) so is to check yourself if you are part of that philosophy. And then act accordingly.

Oh you wrote a lteer to Mohr asking him to come clean? Hahahaha. I waited years for Mark Mohr to come clean and it simply never happens. It goes on and on. Oh yes, in private and here sometimes it is admitted that there are Christian Rastafarians yet in public these people are still called deceivers. I am also willing to debate Mark Mohr at any time. He's not going to do it. Because he depends on Christafarianism for his lifestyle.

After all, his argumentation can be boiled down to his statements that he is chosen by God to create the culture with his fanbase to get world music accepted in the christian industry. (literal quotes) If that is what you want to defend then do it. You make someone happy, and others very angry, especially those brtothers and sisters of you who are called deceivers, while the process continues.

And these things are much more serious then you seem to understand.
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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2004 08:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

MD:
So my list was correct?
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