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This book is a welcome addition to the literature on Christianity and Rastafari
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 15:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue is not whether or not people outside of the Body of Kristos should get inside of Him. I am not debating that as I am inside of the Body of Kristos and I know John 3:16 to be the most important issue in the entire universe and even outside of that.

The issue is that you deny in public and admit in private the fact that there are certain other people inside of the Body of Kristos, which is a terrible thing to do.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 15:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a great deal of time, but I'd like to make a couple of comments or observations.

Jetze, it is evident that you put a great deal of time into recording information and doing research in order to write this booklet. I've only skimmed it, so I will reserve my critique until a later date.

As far as Bill is concerned, I recall numerous instances where he has agreed with points you have made- even when they weren't embraced by Christafari/LoZ. I know Bill well enough to know that he is not a puppet for an organization and is not in wholesale agreement with every point of LoZ. I think if you look over some of the posts he has written you will find this to be the case.

Jetze, your points are well taken in terms of some of the FAQ info needing to be changed. I thought that perhaps Mark's view on Rasta/Christianity had changed and that maybe he just hadn't gotten around to changing the FAQ's yet. This was a "perhaps", not an assumption. By the way, I have written numerous music reviews for LoZ for their music store, but am not an employee and don't necessarily agree with everything they do and say. I do see a need for greater clarification and some adjusting of information which they present, particularly in regards to Rasta. I would certainly hope that pressures to conform to the CCM model would not hinder this from happening, as you indicate. I do hope that the appropriate revisions are made.

As I've said in the past, I believe that Mark's view on Rasta as portrayed in the FAQ's as well as in his interviews, is dated one. I see two reasons for this: (1) it is according to the information that was available at the time and was/is being taught in most bible schools. (Side Note: Rastafarianism is usually associated or lumped together with occultism- for better or worse.) (2) Rasta is widely varied and ever-changing and therefore getting a grasp of it is easier said than done. I have learned, through our reasonings and other sources, that is the case.

Lastly, I would be careful not to demonize or malign Christafari. It is important to assert the common ground which you share with them, which is what Bill and even myself are doing. If not careful, you may ironically become guilty of the very thing which you accuse them of. Of course, this does not mean that they (Christafari/LoZ/Mark Mohr) are above being questioned or called out on certain issues. I do believe all of this can be addressed without necessarily being divisive so let's choose our words carefully.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 16:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another point: Doesn't a private acknowledgement by LoZ/Christafari/Mark Mohr represent some progress? I say yes.

Also, there is another thing to consider which shows me that Mark's view has changed somewhat. He has left Ras B (Brenton) to head up "The Gathering" in Trinidad. Ras B is Rasta bredren who is a follower of Christ.
This must say something, yes?

I think it would be good to see the progress, give thanks and continue to pray about things.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 17:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading the WHOLE thing I still come to the same conclusion. I have seen/heard these reasonings for the last year and a half.

Not to say that is bad. I guess I am sayinmg that this info. (for the most part) is nothing new.

I really don't overstand one aspect Messian uses for CCM being owned by bigger companies etc.... When every CD I "USED" to own ie...(Lee Perry, Anthony B, Joseph Hill, Winston Rodney on and on ) is also affiliated with theses large companies for producing/distributing through them.

So why is it a big deal when others do it?

I remember when I started seeing Ziggy Marley on Maybeline commercials and TV shows. Wrong? I don't know. But it made me really think about the image people seem to give themselves. And how certain things would make us draw false conclusions about the life someone lives.

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 17:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Roots thank you for your contribution.

I do hope you will search a little deeper as I have been taking your advise for the last three years at least an think it is therefore obvious that I have my reasons to think your arguments may not apply.

Warrior, God would never chose somebody to lead the CCM in the same way he would choose David or Moses because CCM is not the Kingdom of Jah. Still this is literally being claimed by Christafari.
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 18:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEEN. I think.

So you do not have a problem with any label/production/distributing companies per say. It is more about someone saying that it is JAH will to use these companies to further the very Kingdom of JAH? Am I overstanding correctly?
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 18:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found an INTERESTING audio file of a "documentary/interview" that Robo Ranx did that talks a bit on matters that totally deal with this topic. It talks about Bobo Shanty's in Bull Bay Jamaica, and that they feel that there is inherently something evil about Reggae Music and admit that they are merely using it as a means to forward their message. This places certain Bobos in a position similar to what Christafari is accused of here. Artists like Capleton, Anthony B, Sizzla, Garnet Silk, etc. are in a position of using a form of Music that their belief says is evil so that they can spread the Bobo Message. The interview talks about the "millions" being made by these artists yet Bull Bay has not benefited from that! The Priest interviewed talks about only a faithful few attending the Tabernacle meetings, yet they see these "Bobos" living a differant lifestlye than what they preach. I find this very interesting in light of the standard that Christafari is being held to. Listen to the file yourself...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/documentaries/bobodreads.shtml
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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2004 18:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

warrior wrote:
SEEN. I think.

So you do not have a problem with any label/production/distributing companies per say. It is more about someone saying that it is JAH will to use these companies to further the very Kingdom of JAH? Am I overstanding correctly?



Almost

Not even using these companies to forward the kingdom is what i critisize.

I am saying that CCM is not a part of the Kingdom of God but of Babylon.
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