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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2004 07:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, I fully understand the board situaton. Another thing I don't like about boards is how you can't tell really what a person means. You know because there's no body language or voice tone etc. Just words on a page. So it's like I could be saying something but have to choose my words carefully so that there's no misunderstandings. I totally understand what you're saying there for sure.

Pettidee is pretty cool. But truthfully his first release was better than the ones coming out now. But that boy's got a gruff gruff voice. He's also a pretty cool "dad." his little kiddies are so cute!

Apologies. I understand that went off topic. Sorry folks it's late and CF and I haven't talked for a long time, so you know...apologies...we'll resume to the regularly scheduled program later.
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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2004 07:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I know what you mean.

I am getting tired...So I better say Goodnight so I don't start getting cranky for real!

Goodnight KiddKapps
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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2004 07:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

cross fiyah wrote:
Yeah I know what you mean.

I am getting tired...So I better say Goodnight so I don't start getting cranky for real!

Goodnight KiddKapps


peace bro..and as they say in cakalee land be easy.
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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2004 11:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeRoots:

Yes, I saw your post. Unfortunately, I have been posting and running. You bring up some good points that I would like to address. I will post a response soon.
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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2004 02:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

“ two important words I will focus on right now are "at first". AT FIRST someone may suppose themselves to be an opponent of Christianity when it is really the false version which they oppose. They may oppose lies, hypocrisy, prejudice and the like which may be covered by the guise of "Christianity", but in reality are Anti-Christ in origin. These qualities are of Satan- not Yeshua (Jesus). BUT- at some point man must confess with their mouths and believe in their hearts in Jesus Christ.”

I see your point. This confession of the Messiah does not necessarily make one a Xian. As you state elsewhere in your post, even Zema (looking forward to M. Dread’s interview) has a more Messianic faith. Many can believe the bible, yet not engage in the Xian culture. Consider Hebrew Israelites, RasTafari, other Messianics. Xianity is a belief and a culture. Not everyone likes the culture.

Concerning Yabby You, you wrote:
“The things which puzzle me a bit are songs (such as "Zion Gate") which embrace Marcus Garvey's teachings of repatriation back to Africa. My feeling on repatriation is that ALL who have recieved JAH Son will be going home to be with Him one day- not just blacks and not to Africa.”

This ideology is irrelevant to faith in the Messiah. To enjoy the writings of Marcus Garvey is not a sin, neither is it anti-Bible. Garvey left us a lot of information that is beneficial to the enlistment of black people. If you are black (or white for that matter) and like Garvey, there is nothing wrong with that. This is a culture issue that you do not like. This should be separated from biblical issues. This is a common error among Xians. Also, consider this. Dub Street Rockers and Asherman sing about repatriation and Afrika. Is this an issue for you, also. This is a Xian group with serious Afro-conscious messages (whether or not any/all of them are black). Also, they have a song about the 12 tribes, this is a non-standard Xian production, in my view.


“I don't know why Yabby distances himself from other believers in Christ- at least that we know of amongst the reggae massive. Have others tried reaching out to him? I don't know.”

Perhaps he doesn’t like the culture surrounding Western faith. I, personally, do not. Shortly, I will be wrapping up my communication on the site, except for newsletter notifications. I posted here in order to give input about certain RasTafari misinformation that is disseminated on this site. However, this is not my “crew” if you know what I mean. A similar belief system does not necessitate that you have intense fellowship/communication with people. But, as you so say, Zema would know best. He actually worked on her album.

“Something also haven't understood as why Yabby would choose to produce and collaborate with with someone (Michael Prophet) who has publicly said that he doesn't believe that Jesus is King of Kings, Lord of Lords and Messiah but someone who he simply respects as a man who is "strong". Rather, Prophet claims allegiance to Selassie. I will look for and post the quote if you're interested.”

I’ve seen this information online. That is Yabby’s prerogative. Music is his job. Just like Zema, who has played for many RasTafari and sang back-up for them. She is a working musician, she works. Consider Naaman who still bowed in the temple even though he believed in YHWH after his cleansing from leprosy. Jah Pickney plays secular on his show, that is his job as a DJ. Also, there is just music that friends do with friends. The Winans lady sang a song with Whitney Houston. Please show me where this violates a biblical command. If it is against the Bible and faith, then you should call Zema, CeCe or BeBe, Jah Pickney, Al Green, Robert Randolph, POD, Amy Grant, Solomon Jabby, and others too numerous to mention into question, also.


“I think we SHOULD befriend people who may not know the truth in hopes that they one day will, BUT not contribute to their works which are contrary. I say we must draw the line. “

Too many people have already drawn a line and have alienated those who need the Messiah. That is a major problem with religion. This was, also, a problem with the Pharisees in the time of YahShua. YahShua had no line that was drawn. I don’t think that believers should have lines, either. Read these posts and you will see some of the foolishness that alienates believers from one another. I, myself, have contributed to it at different times.

“As Yabby in sings one of his songs, echoing the words of the Saviour- "I come not to call the righteous, I come to call sinners to repentance.”

“Walls of Jerusalem" is a powerful song. It is off of the chain. I have never heard a Xian reggae song that I have enjoyed as much as the message of this song. Yabby You is the man. My greatest reggae fantasy would be to see him perform live.
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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2004 03:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Aaron Judah,
Thanks for your responses. You are very astute and quite knowledgeable, which is refreshing. I'm a bit disappointed to see that you will stop discussing things on this site because I have rather enjoyed your input. Perhaps you'll reconsider.

I see your point. This confession of the Messiah does not necessarily make one a Xian. As you state elsewhere in your post, even Zema (looking forward to M. Dread’s interview) has a more Messianic faith. Many can believe the bible, yet not engage in the Xian culture. Consider Hebrew Israelites, RasTafari, other Messianics. Xianity is a belief and a culture. Not everyone likes the culture.

I agree- the confession in and of itself doesn't make one a Christian, but believing in the heart is necessary as well. I see it as a conscious acknowledgement of Yeshua as Messiah. I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion regarding culture and I certainly don't endorse a particular set of cultural principles that one must adhere to. Yeshua, the Truth, is Whom we must follow- apart from this, there are many from various walks, tongues, etc. who are all my brethren and sistren. I find personal interest in the Judaic roots of my faith and seek to incorporate aspects of it into my own life. In doing so I find it enriches my walk with Christ. I think we would all do well to investigate the cultural origins of our faith.

This ideology is irrelevant to faith in the Messiah. To enjoy the writings of Marcus Garvey is not a sin, neither is it anti-Bible. Garvey left us a lot of information that is beneficial to the enlistment of black people. If you are black (or white for that matter) and like Garvey, there is nothing wrong with that. This is a culture issue that you do not like. This should be separated from biblical issues. This is a common error among Xians. Also, consider this. Dub Street Rockers and Asherman sing about repatriation and Afrika. Is this an issue for you, also. This is a Xian group with serious Afro-conscious messages (whether or not any/all of them are black). Also, they have a song about the 12 tribes, this is a non-standard Xian production, in my view.

I never said to enjoy the writings of Marcus Garvey was a sin. I only said that I was perplexed by the references and have a bit of difficulty seeing their congruity with biblical Christianity. I don't know a great deal about Garvey, but I see his Afrocentric views to some degree as a response to racism. The idea that people of African origin should separate themselves from those in the Western hemisphere and move back to Africa is not a view I agree with. The tragedies which Africans suffered in being enslaved and the ensuing bigoted, prejudicial treatment they and their ancestors have been subjected to are truly a blemish on humanity. However, what some meant for evil JAH turned for good. I couldn't begin to measure the spiritual and cultural enrichment that has been produced within the Western Hemisphere by those of African origin.

Interestingly enough, for a number of years I was part of a non-denominational fellowship which led by a pastor who strongly believed that the biblical Israelites were those were taken away into slavery because of their disobedience to God Almighty. If one examines the plight of the captivity of Israel with that of Africans who were taken from their homeland and enslaved, there are mighty strong parallels in light of scripture.

I am very familiar with Dub Street Rockers featuring Asherman and the album "Zion Ready", which you refer to. Actually, I wrote a review on the album for the Lion Of Zion record store. I know that Asherman sings of repatriation and I do find it intriguing for reasons mentioned above. I am looking for enlightenment from others as to this view and how to reconcile it to Christianity. Perhaps I'm looking at it as separatism when that is not the intent. Please help me understand as I admit my undertstanding in this area is quite limited.

Perhaps he doesn’t like the culture surrounding Western faith. I, personally, do not. Shortly, I will be wrapping up my communication on the site, except for newsletter notifications. I posted here in order to give input about certain RasTafari misinformation that is disseminated on this site. However, this is not my “crew” if you know what I mean. A similar belief system does not necessitate that you have intense fellowship/communication with people. But, as you so say, Zema would know best. He actually worked on her album.

I would guess that you're probably right in regards to Yabby's cultural preferences. Perhaps for selfish reasons I'd love to see him work with Solomon Jabby, Judy Mowatt, Lester Lewis, etc. I have been listening to Yabby's music for many years and have several of his albums. As I said earlier, I'll be a bit disappointed to see you go as you add a refreshingly different perspective to what many may consider the norm. However, I do understand and respect that you may not feel like you fit in or that this is your "crew". What I would say though is that the "crew" around here may be more varied than you think. I too look forward to Zema's interview being published, even though I have had direct communication with her.

I’ve seen this information online. That is Yabby’s prerogative. Music is his job. Just like Zema, who has played for many RasTafari and sang back-up for them. She is a working musician, she works. Consider Naaman who still bowed in the temple even though he believed in YHWH after his cleansing from leprosy. Jah Pickney plays secular on his show, that is his job as a DJ. Also, there is just music that friends do with friends. The Winans lady sang a song with Whitney Houston. Please show me where this violates a biblical command. If it is against the Bible and faith, then you should call Zema, CeCe or BeBe, Jah Pickney, Al Green, Robert Randolph, POD, Amy Grant, Solomon Jabby, and others too numerous to mention into question, also.

I think collaboration is wonderful as long as one's integrity isn't compromised. This is why I am puzzled as to why Yabby would work with Michael Prophet IN THAT REGARDS. I can see talking with, advising, showing "respect" as a bredren but I can't understand why he would contribute to the works which proclaim a message contrary to that which Yabby clearly professes to believe. Can you feel me? Maybe I'm nitpicking, but I don't get it. I'm not saying that Michael Prophet's music and lyrics don't contain truths because I know that they do, but there is a starkly different ideology in how he views the person of Jesus Christ. I'm sorry but I don't see this as just "work". It's not the same as plumbing, electrical, carpentry or accounting- it's about teachings and reasonings. The music is a means of communicating a message and espousing beliefs.

“Walls of Jerusalem" is a powerful song. It is off of the chain. I have never heard a Xian reggae song that I have enjoyed as much as the message of this song. Yabby You is the man. My greatest reggae fantasy would be to see him perform live.

"Walls Of Jerusalem" is a great tune fe true! Great lyrics and musical vibes- I agree with you 100%. I would also love to see Yabby perform live and have the chance to meet him.
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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2004 03:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please show me where this violates a biblical command. If it is against the Bible and faith, then you should call Zema, CeCe or BeBe, Jah Pickney, Al Green, Robert Randolph, POD, Amy Grant, Solomon Jabby, and others too numerous to mention into question, also.

Just to clarify, I only see a violation of biblical command in that (in collaboration) one might proclaim untruths or principles which are contrary to those commanded by the Lord of Lords. I would have to examine each case to see if the message (if lyrics are involved) is in alignment with the professed faith of the participating artiste or not. For the record, I am not against such collaborations but actually see them as good opportunities for followers of Christ to reach out to non-believers or seekers.
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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2004 03:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, thank you for the compliment. What seems to be astute when read is actually "geeky" when you meet me in person. Jah Nerd. Mayber I should change my screen name.

I would highly recommend "Philosophy and Opinions." It is informative. Garvey had some good ideas and made some brave proclamations when no one else was speaking up for the diaspora.

An interesting point about repatriation: I have encountered 2 Japhets who want to go back to Afrika. This was new and a pleasant surprise to me. I'm all for it. I would also like to hear other views on repatriation.

Aren't you in a reggae group, Mike? I tried your WWW link, but it took me to your station. Do you have any music downloads on the web? I've seen some of blaminack's on versionist.
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