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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 11:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

warthog wrote:
yes blaminack!! thats why knowing you stand to be judged alone/ individually by the creator, its very crucial to be carefull of whatever force your fellow earthly man( CHRISTIAN/JEW/RASTA.....) come with, no matter how big or small they seem!!!

BLESS YOU!!


Hi,

I have another question for you. Who was Haile Selassie? Is he divine, in other words, is he your christ? If so, then why?

The bible doesn't state any prophecy that Haile Selassie would be the King of Kings. That is blasphamous to me, to be blunt. I don't believe he claimed to be, in fact, I believe he claimed to be a Christian. He did not want to be worshiped by rastafarians.

Thanks for the info.

p.s. this isn't the same guy who the Twelve Tribes of Israil claim to be divine, is it?
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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 12:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

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p.s. this isn't the same guy who the Twelve Tribes of Israil claim to be divine, is it?


If this "guy" you talk about is in fact Haile Selassie I suggest that you start looking for some real information instead of talking with people who are only confirming your own prejudices.
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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 13:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze you could have easily gave the correct info to this guy who has admited not knowing much about the topic instead of slanderizing folks. Just because a person has his mind made up does not mean that it in error. Yes it does seem that he is talking about Selassie, and if you are not EXTREMLY well versed in 12 Tribes ideas you would definatly get the idea that they think Selassie is divine. Just go over the words of their most used greeting. One could be left with the impression that they think Selassie is the returned Christ to them...Christ in His Kingly Charactor? That has always seemed so very odd to me due to the fact of Selassie's admitted humanity and mistakes.
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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 14:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on. That's nonsens. This thread could better be named: "See The Stereotypes going after eachother".

What's so difficult in the next quote?

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The 12 Tribes of Israel is seen as closer to Christianity than other Rastafarian groups. Is there a basic difference in the doctrine?
"Yes there is a basic difference because we see Christ, and that die and rose again, and that die for our sin, we see that person. So that is, you know, a different teaching, because is not many see this teaching, that Christ is the person."
I want to remind you that we're speaking with the Prophet Gad who is the leader, the head, the founder of the 12 Tribes of Israel. We want to move on now to the doctrine. Recently we've had much debate on this program "Running African" and other programs about the Divinity of His Majesty the Emperor Haile Selassie as it relates the return of Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts on the matter?
"Well, Christ is to return and sit on the Throne of David, so I strongly believe that, you know, Christ is going to come and sit on the Throne of David."

I want you to.. You said something very important here and something that may disturb the Rastafarian Movement in Jamaica. Christ, You're talking about the return of Christ.
"Yes I am talking about the return of Christ who is going to sit on the throne of David."

Are you making a differentiation between Jesus Christ and Haile Selassie.
"Yes I am making a differentiation. Because Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. And even after His Majesty say, Him saved not by the man character but by the blood of Jesus Christ."

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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 18:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian Dread wrote:
Come on. That's nonsens. This thread could better be named: "See The Stereotypes going after eachother".

What's so difficult in the next quote?

Quote:
The 12 Tribes of Israel is seen as closer to Christianity than other Rastafarian groups. Is there a basic difference in the doctrine?
"Yes there is a basic difference because we see Christ, and that die and rose again, and that die for our sin, we see that person. So that is, you know, a different teaching, because is not many see this teaching, that Christ is the person."
I want to remind you that we're speaking with the Prophet Gad who is the leader, the head, the founder of the 12 Tribes of Israel. We want to move on now to the doctrine. Recently we've had much debate on this program "Running African" and other programs about the Divinity of His Majesty the Emperor Haile Selassie as it relates the return of Jesus Christ. What are your thoughts on the matter?
"Well, Christ is to return and sit on the Throne of David, so I strongly believe that, you know, Christ is going to come and sit on the Throne of David."

I want you to.. You said something very important here and something that may disturb the Rastafarian Movement in Jamaica. Christ, You're talking about the return of Christ.
"Yes I am talking about the return of Christ who is going to sit on the throne of David."

Are you making a differentiation between Jesus Christ and Haile Selassie.
"Yes I am making a differentiation. Because Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. And even after His Majesty say, Him saved not by the man character but by the blood of Jesus Christ."



LOL. Geez. Yeah, that is exactly what I am doing. I am just trying to make sure I got all my stereotypes in the right order!!!

Geez. I didn't say I didn't read up on Selassie. In fact, I have. The thing is, there is the history I have read about in history books, but then there is also the "religious figure".

I don't know what you want me to say, I just asked a question. Haile Selassie did a lot for the people of Ethiopia. He helped to modernize the country and he brought it into the League of Nations. He did a lot of good things for Ethiopia, but he died under circumstances that are questionable.

Many Rastas claim him to be the annoited one, Christ. I am not saying ALL do, and hey, you MD are welcome to talk to me about this stuff since somehow I am being stereotypical, why don't you answer my questions?

The quote I used about the 12 tribes was from an interview I read. If it is wrong, tell me. Don't tell someone else I am being stereotypical. I am right here, I want to know this stuff, that is why I asked!

So if you can be so kind and teach me so that I am not stereotypical, so that I am not seeing one side. You are more then welcome to answer, and so are anyone else.

I am not a dread, I don't know very much at all about Rasta Fari. And, I never even heard of the 12 tribes of Israel until I saw it quoted on the website.

I am sorry if I offended you, MD, but I wasn't trying to be the way you are accusing me.
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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 18:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Jetze what you seem to mean is that anyone that doesn't hold the Messian Dread point of view is holding stereotypes and are spreading nonsense. The problem is that there are differant ways of looking at things. Exactly what stereotype is being portrayed that is not ROOTED in truth? See if you can show the factual parts of this to be wrong then there is some thing to talk about. If not we are both left with stereotypes and you also have yours my friend.
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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 21:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stereotype is what you can read in this thread. Just look at the main contributors and see where they talk about and then tell me that I have to be an expert or something like that in order to do something different then what is portrayed in this thread. Oh, wait, you allready did that.

The same cliche's, a lot of words about nothing, no matter if you draw in some facts, the point is that it seems like there has to be drawn an inovercomable line between what is seen as Rasta and what is seen as Christian.

If the leader of the biggest Rastafarian Organization clealr says that he believes the same about Selassie being JAH as what most of us do, then who is anyone in this thread to state otherwise? That is what offends me.

The original poster of this thread admittidly has the bulk of his info concerning Rastafari from the Christafari FAQ. A FAQ, of which it is admitted right here in this forum, that it doesn't cover the reality. So much for "following messian dread thing", you yourself Blaminackl have admitted thhe wrongeness of the Christafari FAQ's.

And until these FAQ's are updated with a more appropriate description of this-and-that, you will keep on having people disinformed, a make them have a mind set against Rasta as if Rastafari means Idolatry.

How's that?
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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2004 23:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the leader of the biggest Rastafarian Organization clealr says that he believes the same about Selassie being JAH as what most of us do, then who is anyone in this thread to state otherwise? That is what offends me.

We are people who observe what is said and written. I don't gather my views from Christians on Rastafarians. I gather my views from Rastas. If you are to comment in general terms you must include all of the folks that claim to be Rasta. Of course there are MANY varied views held.
Ok let us be on the totally fair side of this... why don't you write the description that you think fits best and let us discuss that from a Biblical perspective disecting and reasoning over the points that way we can put this to rest. Then we should be able to see what areas of common ground there are. You see it all looking for places that Rasta and Christians are similar. I see differances that are also important. Let's talk about both. Sway us, if you have validation to back up what you have to say. This is your opportunity to help us correct the problem that you think we have. Start a new thread in response. Don't just point out where you think we are in error, you give the correct thinking from your angle.
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