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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 02:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you don't gather your info on Rastafari from the Christafari FAQ.

And it's difficult to write a "definition of Rastafari" in a few lines. But in order to get to the point in which it is so that a good definition is written, many things and principals have to be taken into consideration and perhaps it would be a good thing to discuss these points.

Is a definition of Rastafari neccesary and if so why is it neccesary?

Yes, there are many different "ways" within Rastafari and no not all should be included. It is clear that there are many people who claim to be Rasta but they are far from it.

So it's also about recognizing, or as some say: "who feels it knows it".

I hope you will agree with me, that a Rasta is a conscious (wo)man, aware of babylon, aware of Ethiopia and overstanding the meaning of having a descendant of King David on the only throne in Africa which has never been colonized.
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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 03:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze,

I think that you are making some of my point. I am serious about that challenge. I know it is a huge task and I see it as a great opportunity for some of the best reasonings that we have had on this site.

Let's just say that your condensed version of what a Rasta is here would include most of the serious members of this site, including my self. There is much more.

I think that defining Rasta is important for this site. It may not be for yours because a much higher percentage is well informed on whole scope of the matter. Much of the traffic here is not as likely to understand that. You have said that a large part of the fan base of Christafari has the music here as their only info on Rasta and that may be true so, help form a better definition that will help define the purpose of this ministry to the outsider.

I think that the biggest issue is that there is lack of solid doctrine in Rasta along with a huge wide range of things that claim it. This makes it extremely hard to define concisely. You will always have some that say, "I am rasta and that doesn't describe me at all."
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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 04:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for me, I have presently chosen not to use the name (JAH) in our future recordings, and will only use it when personally witnessing to a rasta. For when I started Christafari and Lion of Zion ent., my primary goal was to see the rasta church become Christian, yet one of the regrettable fruits of my labor, (due to uneducated imitation by other artists) is the Christian church becoming more rasta. This was never my intention. It was not my desire to have a Christian congregation in Trinidad shouting out the name "JAH!" in their church services.


Here is a statement from the Christafari FAQ. This shows a jaded view of Rastafari. This shows the opinion of at least some of the Christafari leadership that actually look at Rastafari as a negative thing.

Worse than that is this idea that shouting Jah in church is wrong just because Rastas say it. This is disgraceful and Scripturaly wrong.

What this does is it automatically puts those who read this forum in a mindset that the overall view of the "administration" here (for lack of a better word) is against the Rastafari movement.

Then it even goes to the next level to say that the Primary goal initially for Christafari was to sway Rastas into Christianity. This is what I want to talk about. You see I think that the idea of showing others to Christ is good. The negative undertones are the ones that say that showing others to Christ involves them renouncing the Rasta part.

Soooooooooo, If Mr. MD says "OK. I will attempt to define Rastafari" he will be actually starting off with a jaded audience.

I think it is important that there be some clarity first on the part of Christafari. Then you will see fruits of agreement (or disagreement). The problem is that there are those who see that the FAQ's may not be the current views of Christafari and mabey they are to afraid to say what they really feel! ........????
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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 12:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zionslave,

I am not sure if you have studied Rasta much, it seems like you have seen some, but the point of this all is to bring Christ to those that do not know Him. So if there is one that believes that Selassie is Christ, he does not in fact know the Christ of the Bible, and this according to Selassie. So you do, that man no favours with this, nothing wrong with the Rasta faith thing you have going on. If it does not introduce him to the Christ of the Bible then there is SOMETHING VERY WRONG with his Rasta faith. If a person's Rasta walk has led him to where it should to the same Christ that Selassie believed and worshiped then fine, those are not the ones that we seek.

The truth of the matter is that there are MANY people who claim Rasta have nothing to do with the God that Ras Tarfari worshiped. Do you allow them to go on like this? Is that love? If you believe in Christ then you must share the truth. Is there something inherantly wrong with Rasta? If a person does not come to salvation (born again) in the Biblical sense through it then yes, there is something wrong with it. Yet there are some that have. But what of the others? Does the idea that some are going to Hell based on the fact that they reject Christ offend you as much as the idea that there could be something wrong with some folks' Rasta faith? That is what it boils down to. Some have don't know the truth. Will you share the truth with them? If you place the idea of not offending them because you don't want that man to feel uncomfortable about his Rasta faith above the true message of the Gospel, then where is the love and compassion? Do you think that just because they believe in something they are ok? Not so! Even the devils believe something! It must be the true Christ of the Bible.

Have you looked in to the teachings of the Bobos? Do you feel they have the right thing going as far as the Bible teaches? What about those that believe that Charles Edwards is the Black Christ? What about those that have adopted some New Age/Hindu doctrines to mix into the recipe? What about those that are believing in Reincarnation? What about those that believe that Ganja IS a sacrement? If these things are not true there is something wrong. So please give me your view on these issues Zionslave. There is much differance between believing in God and allowing him to be Lord of your life and allowing truth to reign in your heart.
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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 17:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you'll allow me, I'd like to comment on some things.

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So if there is one that believes that Selassie is Christ, he does not in fact know the Christ of the Bible, and this according to Selassie.


Not quite like that. Selassie denied being Christ. According to what you wrote, Selassie could very well have said that he was Christ (but then had to be a different one for obvious reasons).

So I would say it is possible that one believes Selassie to be the Real Messiah, only he would be wrong in his perception for yet another obvious set of reasons.

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If it does not introduce him to the Christ of the Bible then there is SOMETHING VERY WRONG with his Rasta faith.


Although in different words I would agree with that. I would add to that the number of Rastafarians who have told me that they consider anyone who believes Selassie to be (any for of) Incarnation of JAH as non-Rasta. So it's kind of a real "you're not a Rasta because you do not believe like me" thing going on between the various houses of Rastafari.

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The truth of the matter is that there are MANY people who claim Rasta have nothing to do with the God that Ras Tarfari worshiped. Do you allow them to go on like this? Is that love?


Well, this is where we could find each other in disagreement. I would argue, that when people do not want to have anything to do with the GOD of RASTAFARI (that Is: The God Of The Bible, JAH) they are not Rasta. Which "JAH" are they talk about?

I think, by how you said it, you acknowledge some as Rasta who are in fact not Rasta. And this is a thing I see in Christafari too. Because even the wannabees are supported and acknowledged as Rasta.


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Is there something inherantly wrong with Rasta? If a person does not come to salvation (born again) in the Biblical sense through it then yes, there is something wrong with it.


What would you say about the "Christianity" that has the same effect? Like people going to church all life without actually bering born again?


You see, the peoblem is not that people who are not born again are reached with the message of salvation. Whether they are Rasta, Christian, whatever. The problem rises at the moment the "Rastafarianity" is being connected to the "status" of not being born again.

Like telling people that because they drive a car they can't go to heaven. There is nothing that justifies the connection, and still it is being made. Perhaps not deliberatly, but it is an integral part of it.
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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 18:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very careful to try to make distinctions between the Rastas who are part of a Cultural Movement and that are of a Religious movement. Those that believe in the Christ of the Bible and are part of a differant thing altogether then the man who is part of a Religious movement that denies the Christ of the Bible.

Here is my own personal view of things. If a person is of the Religious teachings of some Rastas that teach that Selassie is God, then they fall into the same category that I place Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, etc. Though they sound similar to the Bible's teachings there are serious distortions that make certain statement incompatable. For example, some Mormons teach that Lucifer is Jesus' Brother. Now that is totally incompatable with the Bible. Now some Rastas teach Selassie is the Living God, or some other variation of that theme. That is also incompatable with the teachings of the Bible.

So what shall we do? Do we say to the Morman, "hey, you sound so close to the truth we'll just over look that the things that you teach are totally erroneous."? Is that what you suggest we do in relationship to Rastas who hold that Selassie is God?

So, in conclusion it may be best to give a referance to a particular Rasta and their lyrics, writings, website etc when refering to something, that is talked about here.
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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 20:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

OREMUS

Just because you dont see or overstand something the way others do , doesnt mean they are blasphemous only JAH can clearly see that heart!!

BLAMINACK

You if TRUE believer should know better, knowing JAH travels in mysterious ways, instead of judging the bobos & fighting them just take it to JAH, again I state instead of being surprised again by a carpenters on & not a caesar fashion kind

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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2004 23:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is none fighting them down, and I have judged no Bobo on a personal basis. But I have judged the Relious system to be in contridiction to the Scripture.

Fighting down makes no sense in this context, but rather lifting people UP.
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