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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 02:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Christ hung on the cross...When he said "My God why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus was NOT talking to God at that time...Jesus was NOT asking God a question.

So then who was Jesus talking to?....US!!..That's who!

Jesus was quoting scripture....YES as Jesus hung on the cross dying suffering all that pain...He was still teaching God's Word!

Jesus was quoting from Psalm 22...Basicly Jesus was saying to us:.."Go to Psalm 22..There is a message there for you!"

God did NOT forsake Jesus on the cross!!!!!.....How do I know this?.....Because when you have seen the son(Jesus) you have seen the Father(YHVH)....So then how in the world could God have forsaken Christ?....HE DIDN'T!!

Warthog-We are not supposed to drink a big heaping glass of wine at communion...Just a small amount will do.

Your comment about drinking too much wine was uncalled for!!...There are recovering alcoholics that you just took a cheap shot at!...And it was pretty lame too!
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 02:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

warthog wrote:
TO ALL X-RISTIANS

Instead of fighting others in the name of converting them why dont you get to know the supreme alpha & omega better & he will humbly show you the TRUTH, all I see is a bunch of jesus name ramblings with misguided fire carrying alot of ignorance & arrogance, SOME OF THIS SPIRITUAL THINGS TAKE TIME TO GROW IN YOU

JAH BLESS U!!


And here you are doing the very thing you accused me of doing! You are judging me based on things that you don't know. You don't even know me, yet you say I don't know God and because I speak of Jesus, somehow I am not following the truth. When, again, Jesus said I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO ONE comes to the Father but by Me (Jesus)

That being said, what ignorance? I haven't stated anything to personally attack you. I don't claim to know everything, and you claim to know a lot about Christ when it seems that you don't know the first thing because if you knew Christ you would know truth.

The reason why I asked these questions and why I keep asking questions is because I desire to learn and to grow. As you said, spiritual things take time to grow. I don't know everything, and, I was asking questions so that I may learn and grow and understand things better.
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 14:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

On da point of Rastafarianism, I gat to say
One guy roun by me is a rasta and he always tryin to get me in da camp but we had a convo one day, found out that they believe the old testament just like we so....
in the old testament, prophecies of The Christ was set out concerning the circumstances of his birth,

for one, he was to be born in Bethlehem, Haile was not
for two, he was to be born in a manger right? but Haile was not
and a host of others,

so all I'm thinking is that if Haile's life does not fit dose requirements set out in the Bible, which both of us believe, how come its so much strife and debate?
all I want know is Jesus is Christ, His life lined up with the scriptures.
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 15:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just see where these FAQ definitions reach to........

Let me tell you my perception of this. A perception of which I know other have it too. Only they do not want to even be here....

How does it feel, to constantly sum up argumentation that Haile Selassie is not Yesus Kristos? Is it realized, that it only furthers the idea that Rastafari stands for believing that Haile Selassie is Yesus?

When I read this endless debate, I realize more and more how useless it is. It's useless to do it here, where most people allready have their mind set against Rastafari and the sport seems to be who can break down Rastafari stronger then the other one.

People standing in line to make another point against believing Selassie to be Jah....

Trying to show off their christianese/politically correct stance to each other. No use whatsoever. No real conversation either. Just

This is exactly in line with how Christafari is allready perceived by the very people it is said to be the "target audience", the Real Rasta's. And that is an objectively established fact.
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 16:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

No weapon wrote:
On da point of Rastafarianism, I gat to say
One guy roun by me is a rasta and he always tryin to get me in da camp but we had a convo one day, found out that they believe the old testament just like we so....
in the old testament, prophecies of The Christ was set out concerning the circumstances of his birth,

for one, he was to be born in Bethlehem, Haile was not
for two, he was to be born in a manger right? but Haile was not
and a host of others,

so all I'm thinking is that if Haile's life does not fit dose requirements set out in the Bible, which both of us believe, how come its so much strife and debate?
all I want know is Jesus is Christ, His life lined up with the scriptures.
outtie


Hey those were great points, thanks.
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 16:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

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am very careful to try to make distinctions between the Rastas who are part of a Cultural Movement and that are of a Religious movement.

blaminack, i think what is coming about in this time that the definition of the religious RasTa movement is changing, where there are people who see the Messiah in truth yet are still RasTa in a spiritual and cultural sense.

warthog, Iesous speaking to himself?. Jah is one yet Jah is three; Jah Father, Jah Son, and Jah Spirit. Iesous was speaking to the Father because He was taking upon Himself all the sin of the world and the Father could not be in contact with that sin. so He had to seperate Himself from the Son for that time. We see in the N.T. that Iesous is the high priest as the mediator between I and the Father so again the Son is speaking or communicatinf with the Father. I guess in some sense he was talking to himself because He is Jah and the Father is also Jah but Iesous was speaking to the first person of the Trinity; the Father.

Iesous was not talking to us on the cross, that doesnt make sense. and parts of Psalm 22 are prophetic like also are verses 16-18 of that same chapter. those things didnt happen to david.
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 16:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian Dread wrote:
Just see where these FAQ definitions reach to........

Let me tell you my perception of this. A perception of which I know other have it too. Only they do not want to even be here....

How does it feel, to constantly sum up argumentation that Haile Selassie is not Yesus Kristos? Is it realized, that it only furthers the idea that Rastafari stands for believing that Haile Selassie is Yesus?

When I read this endless debate, I realize more and more how useless it is. It's useless to do it here, where most people allready have their mind set against Rastafari and the sport seems to be who can break down Rastafari stronger then the other one.

People standing in line to make another point against believing Selassie to be Jah....

Trying to show off their christianese/politically correct stance to each other. No use whatsoever. No real conversation either. Just

This is exactly in line with how Christafari is allready perceived by the very people it is said to be the "target audience", the Real Rasta's. And that is an objectively established fact.



Everywhere I have looked, Selassie is very prominant and considered to be the Christ by most (not all) rastas. That is where I get that info from. What is your view on it,what do you believe I mean? Who is Selassie, to you, if not what I have stated above?

I am anything but politically correct!! That is your opinion I guess!

I don't know what you mean about Christafari. Yeah, I guess you are right in that they are reaching Rastas with the message of Christ. Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. What is wrong with that?

If you don't agree with Christafari, or if you have a problem me for what I believe, then why would you stay? It would only agitate you more right?

I don't know what the answer is that you are seeking, and I hope that when you have time you will answer my questions.
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PostPosted: 30 Jun 2004 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everywhere I have looked, Selassie is very prominant and considered to be the Christ by most (not all) rastas. That is where I get that info from.


Oh you are not the one who said that he got most his info from the website here?

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What is your view on it,what do you believe I mean? Who is Selassie, to you, if not what I have stated above?


A little searching on my website will answer your questions. Why you ask? What makes you think I am a Rasta?

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I don't know what you mean about Christafari. Yeah, I guess you are right in that they are reaching Rastas with the message of Christ. Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. What is wrong with that?


That it's not like how you describe it.

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If you don't agree with Christafari, or if you have a problem me for what I believe, then why would you stay? It would only agitate you more right?


Well, when everyone agrees there is not so much a need for a forum is there....
But if you mean that you expect only people who agree with christafari to post here and you are suprised that there is actually some talks going on in which strong disagreements are discussed, I would find that very shocking.
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