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Posted: 08 Sep 2004
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blessed love, could one
please explain to I, why Yohn deh baptist was mistaken for Immanuel
deh Christ when he came forth out of deh wilderness. deh I dem know
dat Yohn was under deh nazarite vow from birth, so for him to appear
in this fashion and be mistaked for deh son of Jah, it raises
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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could one please explain to I, why Yohn deh
baptist was mistaken for Immanuel deh Christ when he came
forth out of deh wilderness. |
He wasn't "mistaken for the Christ." That
would imply people had already formed ideas about him. But no one
knew what John was doing
prophesying, or by what authority. That's why they had to ask "Who
are you?" (John 1:19). So
John denied being the Messiah, Elijah, and the Prophet foretold by
Moses.
The real reason John would have to deny being the
Messiah was because he was prophesying. That was something the
Messiah was expected to do. So John had to clarify that he was a
prophetic Voice, but not the actual
Messiah. _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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perfectloveinH.I.M. Forum Veteran
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Posted: 09 Sep 2004
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bless, if ones are
acknowledging that Haile Selassie is who he says he is, then why do
his teachings not automatically become a third testament to the
I-ble? if ones say that Haile Selassie is not the King of Kings,
Lord of Lords, The Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah & the
Light of the World, then I can overstand why. and for those who say
that I-Majesty is a liar, then why is it that none of the nations of
deh world stood up and disputed these issues at His coronation. the
teachings of H.I.M. are foremostly concerned with hue-manity, then
specifically pan-Afreecan and finally global morality. He never let
deh issue of specific faiths hinder progress between nations like
ones will allow denominations of faith to corrode I-nity between
bredren & sistren. if ones don't accept what Ini am saying,
jes check Selected Speeches of H.I.M. and seee how many subjects
that I-Majesty speaks on and deh direction dat he leads deh youth,
if deh I dem waan really speak on deh teachings of
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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if ones are acknowledging that Haile Selassie
is who he says he is, then why do his teachings not
automatically become a third testament to the
I-ble? |
His
imperial majesty explicitly denied that he is God and affirmed that
he is a mere mortal (and even a sinner in need of Y'shua's
salvation) who will be succeeded by future generations. He said all
that, and I believe him. And so, at most, he may be regarded as a
Christian saint (though I do not think the EOC has glorified him
so). We have no reason to believe that his majesty's teachings,
however good, are divinely inspired. In fact, as a Christian, he
would agree with the other Christians here that the revelation of
Y'shua, who is the divine Word of God, is the end of public divine
revelation. Anything beyond Y'shua and the Scripture which reveals
him is mere "application," not
Scripture. _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
Selassie | |
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perfectloveinH.I.M. Forum Veteran
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Posted: 09 Sep 2004
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1. its funny but when Ini search
scriptures, I cannot find where Immanuel says he is God explicitly.
He says "I & I father are one" & "when you have seen I, you
have seen deh Father" but what man who is doing deh will of Jah in
flesh cannot say these things. it only til paul comes after Christ
Yeshua and says that He(Christ) found it not robbery to be equal wid
Jah.(phil.2:6)
2. in deh very Inner-view dat deh I quotes,
H.I.M. responses to deh question of H.I.M. being Je-sus Christ
reincarnated, I never heard H.I.M. actually say no, nor do I ever
hear H.I.M. say what He is not jus what he is. if Ini ask you are
you Christ returned, I am assuming that you instantly say no, that
you are not.
3. Jah is not of confusion, so when I see an
actual fulfillment of prophecies in flesh, I as a student of deh
I-ble could never turn Ini face from what Ini behold. Ini do not
deal in coincidences, so when I see I-Majesty's coronation garments
the exact color as if deh had been dipped in blood, a 2000 year old
prophecy exhibits itself for deh world to see. when I see I-Majesty
upon deh white horse going forth to conquer, there is no simple
explanation for this. when Ini see 1st advent Christians under deh
roman pagan doctrine of skylarking, not accepting the reality of
Haile Selassie I - it just echos deh same set of events that
happened to Yeshua when Isreal rejected Him also.
4. King
David nor King Solomon had to be Jah in flesh for their words to
become canonical scripture, so that point is moot. if dem know
biblical I-story, den at deh very least Haile Selassie I becomes deh
last King of Isreal, which meks H.I.M. equal to His royal
predacessors.
5. finally how many Lights of the World are
Christians willing to accept & acknowledge? Ini ask this because
this title is deh only title dat seperates H.I.M. from every other
righteously divine Ethiopian monarch.
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JAHN 1:1 In the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.
1:2 The same was
in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made through
him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.
1:4 In him was life, and the life was the LIGHT of men.
1 JAHN 1:1
That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that
which we have seen with our eyes, that which we saw, and our hands
touched, concerning the WORD
of life
1 JAHN 5:5 This is the message which we have heard
from him and announce to you, that GOD IS LIGHT, and in him is no
darkness at all.
I would have to say that Thomas said it all!
Jahn 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my GOD!" _________________ Isaiah
2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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1. its funny but when Ini search scriptures, I
cannot find where Immanuel says he is God
explicitly. |
"'I tell you the truth,' Y'shua answered,
'before Abraham was born, I AM!'"
Y'shua's audience clearly
understood that Y'shua was claiming to be God, because they sought
to stone him for blaspheming or misusing the Name of God: "At this,
they picked up stones to stone him." They were following Leviticus:
"Anyone who blasphemes the Name of the LORD must be put to death.
The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born,
when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death."
The
Jews of Y'shua's time knew knew exactly what he was teaching about
himself, and many were offended: "he was even calling God his own
Father, making himself equal with God."
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2. in deh very Inner-view dat deh I quotes,
H.I.M. responses to deh question of H.I.M. being Je-sus Christ
reincarnated, I never heard H.I.M. actually say no, nor do I
ever hear H.I.M. say what He is not jus what he is. if Ini ask
you are you Christ returned, I am assuming that you instantly
say no, that you are not. |
"I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them
clearly that I am a man. That I am
mortal and that I will be replaced by the on coming
generation, and that they should never make a mistake, in
assuming or pretending, that the human being, is emanated from a
deity."
But that is not all he said on the matter. He often
referred and prayed to Y'shua as his Creator and Lord, for example.
You might want to check out Karl Naphtali Philpotts' Haile Selassie I: Defender of the
Faith for more sources on this.
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so when I see I-Majesty's coronation garments
the exact color as if deh had been dipped in blood, a 2000
year old prophecy exhibits itself for deh world to
see. |
Anyone
can wear a blood colored robe or ride a white horse. That does not
make him Christ. If the armies of heaven had followed Selassie, or
if Selassie had cast the beast and the false prophet into the lake
of fire, then you might have a chance of convincing me. But he did
not. And now he has died and gone to Y'shua his Lord, Creator, and
Savior. He may be revered as a saint of Jah, perhaps.
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4. King David nor King Solomon had to be Jah
in flesh for their words to become canonical
scripture |
Read
the rest of what I wrote: We also have no reason to believe that his
majesty's teachings, however good, are divinely inspired. In fact,
as a Christian, Selassie would agree with the other Christians here
that the revelation of Y'shua, who is the divine Word of God, is the
end of public divine revelation. Anything beyond Y'shua and the
Scripture which reveals him is mere "application," not Scripture.
Jah cannot speak more than his divine Word-- that would be absurd.
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den at deh very least Haile Selassie I becomes
deh last King of Isreal, which meks H.I.M. equal to His royal
predacessors. |
Y'shua is the King of Israel.
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5. finally how many Lights of the World are
Christians willing to accept & acknowledge? Ini ask this
because this title is deh only title dat seperates H.I.M. from
every other righteously divine Ethiopian
monarch. |
Y'shua said to all of his disciples, who are
members of him: "You are the light of the world." It applies to his imperial majesty for
the same reason it applies to me: we are disciples and
members of Y'shua Ha Mashiach, the Light of the
World. _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
Selassie | |
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Among other things, his majesty
Haile Selassie said: "I am a man, and man cannot worship man," to
Jamaican Minister of Education, Edward Allen.
And so we know
that his majesty Selassie worshipped Y'shua, who did not refuse the
adoration of his disciples, as God, but that Selassie denied being
God and refused worship of himself. _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
Selassie | |
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