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PostPosted: 08 Sep 2004 16:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

blessed love,
could one please explain to I, why Yohn deh baptist was mistaken for Immanuel deh Christ when he came forth out of deh wilderness. deh I dem know dat Yohn was under deh nazarite vow from birth, so for him to appear in this fashion and be mistaked for deh son of Jah, it raises questions nonedehless.
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PostPosted: 08 Sep 2004 17:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
could one please explain to I, why Yohn deh baptist was mistaken for Immanuel deh Christ when he came forth out of deh wilderness.


He wasn't "mistaken for the Christ." That would imply people had already formed ideas about him. But no one knew what John was doing prophesying, or by what authority. That's why they had to ask "Who are you?" (John 1:19). So John denied being the Messiah, Elijah, and the Prophet foretold by Moses.

The real reason John would have to deny being the Messiah was because he was prophesying. That was something the Messiah was expected to do. So John had to clarify that he was a prophetic Voice, but not the actual Messiah.
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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2004 13:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

bless,
if ones are acknowledging that Haile Selassie is who he says he is, then why do his teachings not automatically become a third testament to the I-ble? if ones say that Haile Selassie is not the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah & the Light of the World, then I can overstand why. and for those who say that I-Majesty is a liar, then why is it that none of the nations of deh world stood up and disputed these issues at His coronation. the teachings of H.I.M. are foremostly concerned with hue-manity, then specifically pan-Afreecan and finally global morality. He never let deh issue of specific faiths hinder progress between nations like ones will allow denominations of faith to corrode I-nity between bredren & sistren.
if ones don't accept what Ini am saying, jes check Selected Speeches of H.I.M. and seee how many subjects that I-Majesty speaks on and deh direction dat he leads deh youth, if deh I dem waan really speak on deh teachings of H.I.M.
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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2004 16:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
if ones are acknowledging that Haile Selassie is who he says he is, then why do his teachings not automatically become a third testament to the I-ble?


His imperial majesty explicitly denied that he is God and affirmed that he is a mere mortal (and even a sinner in need of Y'shua's salvation) who will be succeeded by future generations. He said all that, and I believe him. And so, at most, he may be regarded as a Christian saint (though I do not think the EOC has glorified him so). We have no reason to believe that his majesty's teachings, however good, are divinely inspired. In fact, as a Christian, he would agree with the other Christians here that the revelation of Y'shua, who is the divine Word of God, is the end of public divine revelation. Anything beyond Y'shua and the Scripture which reveals him is mere "application," not Scripture.
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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2004 18:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. its funny but when Ini search scriptures, I cannot find where Immanuel says he is God explicitly. He says "I & I father are one" & "when you have seen I, you have seen deh Father" but what man who is doing deh will of Jah in flesh cannot say these things. it only til paul comes after Christ Yeshua and says that He(Christ) found it not robbery to be equal wid Jah.(phil.2:6)

2. in deh very Inner-view dat deh I quotes, H.I.M. responses to deh question of H.I.M. being Je-sus Christ reincarnated, I never heard H.I.M. actually say no, nor do I ever hear H.I.M. say what He is not jus what he is. if Ini ask you are you Christ returned, I am assuming that you instantly say no, that you are not.

3. Jah is not of confusion, so when I see an actual fulfillment of prophecies in flesh, I as a student of deh I-ble could never turn Ini face from what Ini behold. Ini do not deal in coincidences, so when I see I-Majesty's coronation garments the exact color as if deh had been dipped in blood, a 2000 year old prophecy exhibits itself for deh world to see. when I see I-Majesty upon deh white horse going forth to conquer, there is no simple explanation for this. when Ini see 1st advent Christians under deh roman pagan doctrine of skylarking, not accepting the reality of Haile Selassie I - it just echos deh same set of events that happened to Yeshua when Isreal rejected Him also.

4. King David nor King Solomon had to be Jah in flesh for their words to become canonical scripture, so that point is moot. if dem know biblical I-story, den at deh very least Haile Selassie I becomes deh last King of Isreal, which meks H.I.M. equal to His royal predacessors.

5. finally how many Lights of the World are Christians willing to accept & acknowledge? Ini ask this because this title is deh only title dat seperates H.I.M. from every other righteously divine Ethiopian monarch.
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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2004 20:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.

1:4 In him was life, and the life was the LIGHT of men.

1 JAHN 1:1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we saw, and our hands touched, concerning the WORD of life

1 JAHN 5:5 This is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that GOD IS LIGHT, and in him is no darkness at all.


I would have to say that Thomas said it all!
Jahn 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my GOD!"

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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2004 21:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
1. its funny but when Ini search scriptures, I cannot find where Immanuel says he is God explicitly.


"'I tell you the truth,' Y'shua answered, 'before Abraham was born, I AM!'"

Y'shua's audience clearly understood that Y'shua was claiming to be God, because they sought to stone him for blaspheming or misusing the Name of God: "At this, they picked up stones to stone him." They were following Leviticus: "Anyone who blasphemes the Name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death."

The Jews of Y'shua's time knew knew exactly what he was teaching about himself, and many were offended: "he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

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2. in deh very Inner-view dat deh I quotes, H.I.M. responses to deh question of H.I.M. being Je-sus Christ reincarnated, I never heard H.I.M. actually say no, nor do I ever hear H.I.M. say what He is not jus what he is. if Ini ask you are you Christ returned, I am assuming that you instantly say no, that you are not.


"I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that I am a man. That I am mortal and that I will be replaced by the on coming generation, and that they should never make a mistake, in assuming or pretending, that the human being, is emanated from a deity."

But that is not all he said on the matter. He often referred and prayed to Y'shua as his Creator and Lord, for example. You might want to check out Karl Naphtali Philpotts' Haile Selassie I: Defender of the Faith for more sources on this.

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so when I see I-Majesty's coronation garments the exact color as if deh had been dipped in blood, a 2000 year old prophecy exhibits itself for deh world to see.


Anyone can wear a blood colored robe or ride a white horse. That does not make him Christ. If the armies of heaven had followed Selassie, or if Selassie had cast the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire, then you might have a chance of convincing me. But he did not. And now he has died and gone to Y'shua his Lord, Creator, and Savior. He may be revered as a saint of Jah, perhaps.

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4. King David nor King Solomon had to be Jah in flesh for their words to become canonical scripture


Read the rest of what I wrote: We also have no reason to believe that his majesty's teachings, however good, are divinely inspired. In fact, as a Christian, Selassie would agree with the other Christians here that the revelation of Y'shua, who is the divine Word of God, is the end of public divine revelation. Anything beyond Y'shua and the Scripture which reveals him is mere "application," not Scripture. Jah cannot speak more than his divine Word-- that would be absurd.

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den at deh very least Haile Selassie I becomes deh last King of Isreal, which meks H.I.M. equal to His royal predacessors.


Y'shua is the King of Israel.

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5. finally how many Lights of the World are Christians willing to accept & acknowledge? Ini ask this because this title is deh only title dat seperates H.I.M. from every other righteously divine Ethiopian monarch.


Y'shua said to all of his disciples, who are members of him: "You are the light of the world." It applies to his imperial majesty for the same reason it applies to me: we are disciples and members of Y'shua Ha Mashiach, the Light of the World.
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PostPosted: 09 Sep 2004 21:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Among other things, his majesty Haile Selassie said: "I am a man, and man cannot worship man," to Jamaican Minister of Education, Edward Allen.

And so we know that his majesty Selassie worshipped Y'shua, who did not refuse the adoration of his disciples, as God, but that Selassie denied being God and refused worship of himself.
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