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Messian Dread Forum Veteran
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Posted: 18 May 2004
11:42 Post subject: The
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This posting is an expression of
genuine thoughts and critique with the purpose of trying to make
debatable what in the minds of many may not seem so important, but
has a lot of relevance nevertheless.
This posting may sound
"negative" and you can easily think of other words which are used to
legitimatize a censorship. It might go in-depth, and before
overstanding is reached it might be so that things have to be
discussed which in the eyes of some are not to be used among people
who follow JAH.
But you see in the Bible too, that people
debate and debate deep. You see Paulus who publically told Peter
that he was a hypocrite. You have Yesus Who in His Holy Anger wiped
away the traders in -what was then still- JAH's temple.
You
see also in the writings of Christafari, that reasoning is a very
important part in the culture called Rastafari, a culture of which
it is said that Christafari wants to have contact with members off.
This reasoning is however impossible when there are "moderators", or
better: "censorators" who are unaware of this and label every
critique as "negative", or "unbiblical" and all that.
Added
to that, there are also provocateurs who are aiming at taking every
discussion or debate away from the topic and put it in a bad vibe,
an unconstructive vibe. But these are easily recognized.
So
it is my proposal to discuss the topics raised in this posting, in a
mutual acknowledgment of each other's right to free speech and a
mutual acknowledgment to stay on-topic.
It is not "workable"
to have a discussion when there are censorators watching who are
unable to overstand the words and in some kind of power-trip change
postings or delete them. This will definitely end the discussion and
will as a result of that only confirm the impression that many have.
When I write "Christafari", I am writing about the "entity"
so to speak that is the subject of the Christafari.com website.
Christafari, Lion Of Zion, is the name of what is called a
"ministry". So an "official Christafari point of view" is for
example an opinnion written down in the Christafari FAQ.
When I write Mark Mohr, I am referring to the founder of the
"Christafari Ministry".
When I write about "Christafarians",
I am refering to those people who are interested in Reggae, Dreads
and so on, and get their main information from Christafari, who they
see as the "Christian Authority on Rastafari". Usually,
Christafarians are Christians who also dwell within the Christian
Culture.
Now, after having said this, let's go over to the
topic. I hope that this will go in-depth, I hope that many aspects
will be covered, I hope that this will result in an edifying,
clarifying situation.
Let's start off with some "overall"
points of critique. It is then more easy to discuss certain details
of this all.....
I will do so in a reply to this posting,
just for the sake of clarity. _________________ One Love,
Messian Dread. The Issue: http://www.dubroom.org/christafari Personal
Site: http://messiandread.dubroom.org/ | |
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blaminack Moderator
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1928 Location: Panama
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Posted: 18 May 2004
12:25 Post subject:
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Jetze just by trying to SPIN the
job of the moderator into a negative thing for the purposes of
saying what ever you want is wrong.
You think that calling
me a censorator would keep me from deleting posts that need to be
deleted will not work. I have deleted maybe 6-7 posts in the entire
time that I have been a moderator. After having read literally
thousands I would hardly call that a power trip or censorship. The
ONLY reason anything gets deleted is abuse of the Rules of the
Forum. Your Forum has rules I am sure. I am also sure that along the
line some where you have had to delete some posts, close threads or
let people know they were way off topic.
Now to the
"Christafari" definition that you gave, I suppose there are some
that think the way that you describe, but I don't know any. Most of
the folks that post here regularly are quite informed on the subject
but just have differant perspectives from yours. That seems to
bother you and invoke a condescending "rebuke".
Censorship
works both ways. It is only prevented whne both sides have respect
for the views and ideas of the other.
Now let your
"critique" begin. I will listen to see if there is anything to be
learned. | |
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Joined: 05 Nov 2001 Posts: 279 Location: Los
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Posted: 18 May 2004
14:55 Post subject:
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I'm not even sure what the
question was after reading that post so I am going to just leave a
brief comment. I spoke much but never got to the critique. I don't
know if this post is off-topic yet because I'm not sure what aspect
of Christafari you are goign to comment on. It may better be placed
in Christafari or Opinions instead of Rasta Reasoning.
On
your comment about "right of free speech" - no civilization in the
world has it. They all call it 'freedom' and then place limits on
it. This is in an effort to protect certain groups that can't
usually protect themselves.
Likewise, our terms of use
(which are posted in the Announcements section) make no guarantee of
free speech on this board. Like any community we have the right to
place boundaries on what we see and it is this way for many reasons.
By your use of the board you have submitted yourself to these
boundaries as stated in the terms of use -- the same way someone
living in a town submits themselves to the local bylaws and the
elected government. This is not a hard concept to understand as it
is universal.
There has been VERY little post deleting in
this forum but I have instructed the moderators to do more as we are
straying from our purpose. Some people on this forum seem to be
unable to carry on without constant observation. Anyone who violates
the terms of service, or who we see getting out of line and debating
apart from the Biblical model will have their posts deleted. As
well, there will be a general "clean up" on the way in which
non-beneficial posts will be removed. More on this later, but as you
can see posting rubbish at this point will be of little use as it
will be removed.
Now if you have any questions from the FAQ
that you wanted to discuss, please post away....be aware that the
post may be moved to 'Christafari' depending on the
contente. | |
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ZIONSLAVE Forum
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Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 124
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Posted: 18 May 2004
15:13 Post subject:
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I think this thread is long
overdue. I think it is a mistake to go on the defensive so soon B.
Censorship certainly is a very "touchy" subject. However, I would
try to look at this as an opportunity to really make clear the
Chrstifari reasonings for it. I have personally been a victim of
this censorship on this sight as Im sure MD has. I also feel it is
VERY misleading to say that you have only deleated 6 or 7 posts. I
beg to differ.
Also, I believe that this thread will cover
alot more ground than just the positives and negatives of the
censorship issue.
Dread,
I wonder if you would
consider making a "rule" for this thread that we not bring up the
ganja issue as it has been thouroughly examined in the last few
months. I think there is much ground to cover that could be
considerably delayed by rehashing the subject. (no pun intended)
ALL,
Anyway, first of I will say that I would like
to have Mr Mohr interact with us on this thread if that is at all
possible. I think that this would really give us all a real feel for
the overall vision of Christafari as of now.
One major thing
that I personally am still undecided about is idea of the dreads in
order to be "like" a rasta to help minister. I do not think it is
wrong necessarily but would be interested in a more clarified
version on the thinking about appearence to others from Rev. Mohrs
point of view.
So maybe censorship and ministry vision could
be good jumping off points for this thread?? | |
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GFD DUB MUSIC Forum Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts:
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Posted: 18 May 2004
15:22 Post subject:
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i am glad to see this post up a
few days after i had mentioned this Overwhelming Fact on some other
posts., ..everyone who is seeking out their faith should be able to
ask any question about any part of the Bible and also be able to
Have Answered with the Opinion of every believer to the best they
are able to explain what the seeker is searching out. To Deny Man
the Ability to search for the Truth is like waving a niCe Hot Meal
under a Hungry man nose and saying you can't have none!...Remember
Christ say's " Man Shall Not Live By Bread and Water Alone"...
Spiritual Nutrition is just as important. To Some anytime anyone
disagree's with them it is a offense,..i feel sorry for those people
to say the least, to say the most i will say this...Truth is 1 and
for all, if there are disagreements then it is not the Truth's
Fault, it is merely that the Truth has yet to be Spoken because
Truth is Non Partial and is for all...That is the Reason for
Reasoning, to find the Truth and then to Glory within the Truth
because it brings Freedom. to speak of Rastafari only clouds up the
issues and brings nothing towards Christianity. Haile Selassie was a
man just as you and me and thats like sitting around praising each
other and worshipping each other because we Follow Jesus Christ. We
Should All Focus on Christianity and the Words Of Jesus Christ
Specific if we are to Search out the Truth of Christ. Haile Selassie
tells us all the same thing, so there shouldnt even be debate on
that, and to further this..even the name Christafari promotes name
of Rastafari and makes it all a Fashion Game..with no disrespect to
them members of the band or whatever..hope ya dont erase this
post.......but, if i may continue...it's what i feelin seen? there
is so much hidden racist mentality idea's coming from within this
site its insane, so if i may be allowed via a non partial attitude
towards the legends of this site, i shall come with the truth so far
as i am allowed to reveal withing the Glory and Majesty of the
Father Within and Above all of the same 1 in 3 3 in 1..I give thanks
still...there is much to be reasoned about this
Christafari/Rastafari talk and debate cause the Name is Christ....
enought of the mix up... 1 love for all | |
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GFD DUB MUSIC Forum Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts:
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Posted: 18 May 2004
15:37 Post subject:
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"an agenda that has to silence
the opposition isnt an agenda worth fighting for".... Quote from
Ghettobooster, wise words | |
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blaminack Moderator
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1928 Location: Panama
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Posted: 18 May 2004
16:48 Post subject:
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Zionslave,
I challenge
you to give referance to ANY post of yours that I have deleted.
I am by no means on the defensive. I am clearing some things
up. The ONLY posts that I have deleted have been duplicates and ones
that TOTALLY offended the Spirit of the Guidelines laid out by the
Board Admin. | |
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warrior Forum
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Posted: 18 May 2004
17:09 Post subject:
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MD,
What is YOUR definition of this verse? I ask
because it is what is clear about dreadlocks and witnessing to those
with dreads. Paul makes it clear that it is what is done for the
sake of the gospel. I know you have a "problem" with this from what
I have read from some of your posts.
1 COR 9:22 To the weak I became weak, to
win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all
possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of
the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
MD
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This reasoning is however impossible when
there are "moderators", or better: "censorators" who are
unaware of this and label every critique as "negative", or
"unbiblical" and all that. |
Messian, are you saying that everything you
post is biblically sound and has no personal opinion associated with
it?
You are saying what is only an opinion , not fact.
Unaware? What do you mean? The moderators (from what I see) are
making sure there are no destructive, personal attacks on the ones
who are posting here.
You seem also to generalize:
and all that. This is a very general and
selfish statement. What do you mean and all that? Is all that what
YOU feel or what JAH word says?
Scripture is clear that if
there are heresy and malicious talk then we (as believers) should
have nothing to do with such things.
So who do you want to
"regulate/moderate" this or any
forum? _________________ Isaiah 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye,
and let us walk in the light of the LORD. | |
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