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The Messenjah
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PostPosted: 18 May 2004 21:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian,
Thanks for clearing what you meant when you refurred to 'christafarians'.
As many on this site, I have been looking for the truth and such. And as I have said once, a while back, I have taken to that name. Not because I think/accept Mark as an authority when it comes to rasta, or some of the other things on the FAQ, but because of the meaning(s) of the name itself.

at any rate, thanks for makeing clear what you meant.

shalom, and bless up.
-joshuah
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 03:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blessings in the name of the Most High, ChristTafari! <<<< what is that all about... the name is Jesus Christ, not Christafari...what are you people's preaching to one another.. i need clarification cause it is sounding like some fashion dread bizniz to i... please clarify
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 03:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might as well all start calling me christaganjah cause i believe in Jesus also ...to say all this mix up with haile selassie ans jesus is Wrong as can be..and i for 1 as a Sound Minded Christian will tell you all regardless of the Style Points i might lose on this site...
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 04:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

GFD DUB MUSIC wrote:
Blessings in the name of the Most High, ChristTafari! <<<< what is that all about... the name is Jesus Christ, not Christafari...what are you people's preaching to one another.. i need clarification cause it is sounding like some fashion dread bizniz to i... please clarify

I put that, because Messiah-Creator are two aspects of what I believe Christ is in His basic core.
As to the fashion dread comment, I don't understand what you mean to compare those two.

blessings.
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 04:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name "Christafari" is an obvious derivate from the word "Rastafari". Some explanations are given, such as the meaning of the name of "Christopher" but it is obvious that when "Christafari" would not sound similar like "Rastafari" this name would never have been used to name the band and "ministry".

One can recognize the same principals in what is called "Christian Metal" or "Heavenly Metal". One of the leading forces in this is the "Sanctuary Church", headed by one "Pastor" Bob Beeman. His photo is on many Christian Metal albums, along with some words that are aimed at satisfying "concerned" parents who are wondering where there children are listening to. Most of the time the words are someting like "these guys are really christian". Mark Mohr, the founder of Christafari, is also "ordained" as a "pastor" by this same man Bob Beeman. The connection is there, and the influence is there too.

Taking certain words from the "metal scene", and bending them into something "christian" in order to reach the "metallers", is a principal applied by Bob Beeman, but also by Mark Mohr. That is why the band Christafari is called with that name. And it goes further.

Not only the name, but also the Ethiopian colours of Red Gold and Green is used. Dreadlocks are worn (correct word?), the Ethiopian symbol of the Lion of Judah, and many more things. This is all described by Christafari in their FAQ's where you can read that these are all things used in order to "reach the Rastas". This is a "Rastafarian Image", regardless what your thoughts are concerning the movement of Rastaf.ari

This is one of my points of critique towards Christafari and I see in the attitude of Christafarians (not all) a confirmation as to why this is wrong. Also Christafari sees some of this and they made some changes but as far as I'm concerned these are the wrong changes. Later on I will elaborate on that. For now, let's just establish that Christafari uses the same principals as Christian bands who know their working field to be in the area of "black" metal and "satanism" and all that. A principal of "reversing" the message of the "target audience".

What does this show? For many it's a completely normal thing, but when you think deeper and further, you will find many difficulties which will result in even more difficult situations.

The first thing one has to ask, is: is the "satanic culture" of heavy metal to be compared with the culture of Rastafari? The metal church worships satan openly, blasphemy and killing and rape and nazism are virtues in that culture, a culture of death and destruction. True Rastas worship the Creator, JAH, treat their neighbors with respect, an renounce satan. So no, these cultures can not be compared to each other.

But why are then the same principals applied? Rastafari is portrayed as a "religion", a "false religion" by christafari and yet aspects of this socalled "false religion" are being "christianized" with the result that the music is made what i would call "Christianese Correct" when I'm in an ironic mood. I can and will give (verifiable) examples when asked for.

What are the results of these? First, the information which is given about Rastafari gives a totally wrong impression. When a "Christafarian" (see previous posting for definition) sees a Rastaman, he will have the same feeling/attitude as a Christian who meets a "satanist metaller".

Then, just like with the "Christian Metal", it creates a possibility for "christian youths" to "enjoy" the music which is otherwise seen as heathen, pagan, wrong, and all that. This is nothing more then "playing world". A "churchically acceptable" way of "enjoying" themselves in the same way as the "heathen" of which they are not allowed to have music.

Ofcourse this all have nothing to do with spreading JAH Love and JAH JAH message to people in a desperate need of salvation. I am not saying that people are not getting into contact with the gospel this way, but this will be a "side-effect" rather than the "main effect" if I may use these words in this context.

A very obvious example of this can be found in the Christafari FAQ. You'll see the confusion it brings when you take a look: http://www.lionofzion.com/faq/list.html

You'll see two sentences under each other.

Jah - Why do we use the name?
Jah- Why Don't We Use the Name Anymore?

This is an absurdity allready, when you see these two sentences. Regardless of what you may think of the reasons for Christafari to "use" or "not use" the Name of JAH (which is sung every sunday in the church when they say halleluJAH), it's kind of weird.

The reasons why Christafari stopped using the Name JAH is in short (according to an interview with Mark Mohr) that because of their usage of the Name "Christians became Rastafarized" instead of their aim "Christianizing Rastas". I have a lot of critique concerning this decision myself, too. It's absurd to observe and establish a "Rastafarizing Christianity" and then to counter that taking away the Name of JAH, but still continueing making usage of the Rastafarian Cultural symbology, language and much more aspects.

The whole principal of the metal church, as I wrote about in the beginning of this posting, is applied and this, exactly this, has caused what I summarize as a "Rastafarizing Christianity". Ofcourse it has nothing to do with Rastafari. The Christian youths spoken off have not "become Rasta" anymore as that Michael Jackson became a Rasta. They have only applied aspects of (what they perceive as) the Rastafarian movement and are now doing things that "look Rasta", like speaking "Jamaican" (where Rasta focuses on Africa), wearing "dreadlocks" as a hairstyle (where Rasta wears dreads for different reason), wearing the coolors (no typo) red-gold-green (without any though concerning the spiritual place of Africa for example in the Bible) and I can go on and on. To then, in the situation Christafari may find/think themselves in, taking away the Name of Jah but keeping all the other aspects which I mentioned above isn't doing anything good to anyone. It's like writing a song about babylon the fallen and then no longer singing it when the walls are coming down.

These are only a few thoughts I have. I hope that I was able to write them down in a way which can be read by people who read english. I also hope this will open an open debate without any oversensitive censors who do not understand what is said and taking honoust critique as "negative", or "loveless" or more of that.
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 05:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze I will do my best to consider your words IF you can stop and consider mine.

The first place of mistake that I see in your reasoning is the over reaching generalizations. I have no dreads, I never try to speak in "Iharic", I have no "Rasta Colored" clothing etc. Most of the fans of Christafari that I have seen go no farther than that they like the music. The largest base of this forum for example are Dancehall fans that could care little for Rastafarian teachings.

As far as the idea, of "reaching" Rastas, I have to ask you something. What will be the fate of Bobo Rastas? Are they as correct in their teachings as say 12 Tribes for example?

I must also ask what exactly is the Messian Dread technique of evangelism. I ask this because I see folks that take your word as the truth in the "wanna-be" rasta folks. You know the kind. I have seen a few folks that start liking your music and they want to emulate you... they send the email with the idea being.... "I have been Religion shopping, and I like to smoke Ganja, and I think dreads are kind of nifty, so how do I join?" Do they hear the Gospel of Christ?

See I am hearing the idea of your critique but I have to ask what exactly are the working methods of Evangelism that you are finding usefull? I know that you are doing your best to wake up folks to Babylon, fine but what are you doing to reach those whose Rasta leanings have slipped them off into some New Age Doctrines, or Kemetism?

If you offer a critque then please offer a better method.

I know that you personally believe in Christ as your Saviour but what of those that you come in contact with that have replaced Christ with a man?

You say that Selassie is an Icon of Christ, ok but what happens when some one says Jetze you are wrong, HIM is God? Do you go about showing them the truth in love?

When I look at Christafari I see a group of people who are maturing as they go just like the rest of us. I see a Gospel Reggae Band. Yes their methods have caused a stir, but they also have given the Gospel Message to thousands of people.
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 05:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rest assured our moderators are in place for a reason and when the time comes they spring to action....and by the way, no one has come yet to the challenge to give us evidence of deleted posts, and in the meantime they are making crude and false accusations against brethren. We know there are some deletions, but not to the extent that they are blamed for. Go to another forum and see if some of you get away with what you do here.

First, MD your post is too long to be analyzed and thoughtfully considered. Your thoughts although clear,seem to wander. Please focus on one point of your criticism at a time so proper consideration and responses can be given.

Your comparison between metal and rasta is not a good one. The two are not related as you said.

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For now, let's just establish that Christafari uses the same principals as Christian bands who know their working field to be in the area of "black" metal and "satanism" and all that.


and then you say....

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The first thing one has to ask, is: is the "satanic culture" of heavy metal to be compared with the culture of Rastafari?


No, metal and Rastafari should not be compared, but remember you are the one comparing them!

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The metal church worships satan openly, blasphemy and killing and rape and nazism are virtues in that culture, a culture of death and destruction. True Rastas worship the Creator, JAH, treat their neighbors with respect, an renounce satan. So no, these cultures can not be compared to each other.


You are making a blanket statement regarding metal. There are various sects within metal just as there are within reggae. To be fair the majority of metal does NOT worship satan or partake in the activities you discussed. So therefore your assumption here is not valid which of course reduces the effect of any point you wished to make from it.

You also say 'metal' and then 'true rastas'. There are rastas who wear the label just like there are Christians who wear the label. I'm sure that 'Sean Paul' is no more a true rasta than 'Skid Row' worships satan.

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Then, just like with the "Christian Metal", it creates a possibility for "christian youths" to "enjoy" the music which is otherwise seen as heathen, pagan, wrong, and all that. This is nothing more then "playing world".


There is no such thing as Christian music, only Christian lyrics. How do you know that the first death metal band wasn't singing Christian lyrics in a garage band and the world stole it from us? Music is part creation and mostly immitation. Again, not all metal is affiliated with satan.

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Ofcourse this all have nothing to do with spreading JAH Love and JAH JAH message to people in a desperate need of salvation.


You do know there are bands out there that seek to entertain and educate right? Most people would consider giving our brothers clean music to listen to a ministry. Most people also consider equipping brothers and putting Bible verses to music a ministry also. It always reaches someone.

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Jah - Why do we use the name?
Jah- Why Don't We Use the Name Anymore?

This is an absurdity allready, when you see these two sentences.


They only show up that way because they are sorted alphabetically. Read nothing more than that into it. Still 1)we are born 2)we die. There's no absurdity there. Things change.


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The Christian youths spoken off have not "become Rasta"


Don't speak with authority on this matter. You don't know all youths, you haven't done a study of these youths, and you haven't submitted to congress a 1500 page paper titled "gospel reggae's effects on contemporary Christian youths aged 12-17 in white middle class america."

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taking away the Name of Jah but keeping all the other aspects which I mentioned above isn't doing anything good to anyone.


Possibly. But notice the colors on the album covers, etc. Things changed. I can't answer for sure but my estimate is that simply changing 'Jah' may not have a huge effect one way or the other. It doesn't matter to the Christians but it may not please the Rastas. It was a decision, it's on tape for history to see now, and it stands on it's own. One of the concerns with 'Jah' was that people listened to Christafari music and it got copied into other arenas with Christian artists where they then used the term without thought. By getting rid of it the hope was to keep people from using it without thought. To lessen the impact of it's use in the scene by younger uneducated artists.

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I also hope this will open an open debate without any oversensitive censors who do not understand what is said and taking honoust critique as "negative", or "loveless" or more of that.


It's fine to have an opinion, but when every opinion I've seen since I've been back here is a character assassination then steps must be taken. Negative and loveless are not fruits of any spirit we care to have here. As long as everyone participates with consideration for one another then everything is fine. As soon as it degenerates then we have a problem and we will use the authority given to us to correct them....but as you can tell we are VERY lenient. Don't expect that to continue forever.
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PostPosted: 19 May 2004 07:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just read messians post and the ones that followed /.... but in regards to taking a worldly style of music ... and changing the lyrics to suit a christian audience., what is wrong with that? you are feeding your spirit with truth.... and the style of music , well satan can taint every style on the earth, but he did not create the styles of music .... GOD DID , and you say, well what about the worldly behavior ? well if a song is talking about raping someone , then yes we have a problem, people will want to do those things... but if the song's lyrics are biblically accurate to the way we should live, then what kind of behavior will result out of that??????
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