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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 00:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

no disrespect intended to any members of the band....im sure a few of them have ponder the same thing a time or 2 themselves on this matter, ...i have not liked the name Christafari ever since i heard it... i feel it is Disrespectful in every manner no matter how people wanna say it's ok...it not ok and as a Christian who Believes in the Teachings of Haile Selassie to be Fruitful in all manners will tell you so... You Should Change Your Name cause the People wont be uneducated forever, and then they will see the shame in taking up a name such a Christafari... you might as well have your name ChristaShinto or something.... a Core Rasta Belief is Death to All Black and White Oppressors...That is Not a Christian Value held for 1 moment so you can see how your name is Hypocritical to say the very least....Why wont you come correct? is the money that good?
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 02:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
Jetze I reread the interview that you posted and I would like to hear your comment on this paragraph of it...


I wouldn't know how using a Name of God is wrong in any case. It's kind of like stopping prophesying when prophesies actually fullfill...

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I see this reply by Mark as a change from using the Name Jah as a move to change what he saw happening that was disrespecting Rastas, and taking the "Church" to a level of disrespect or Rastas. He seems to be saying that he wanted to change the image of Rasta in the Church community, by placing the Name Jah in a place of higher respect rather than one of disrespect towards Rastas and Selassie.


How can there be such a situation caused by calling on the Name of the Creator? Isn't the fact that JAH is a biblical Name of God (God comes, like Allah, from names/words of idols did you know that?) a thing that binds us all? Shouldn't we look at that? At the fact that we want to follow the Creator though Kristos? Why then stopping the Name of JAH? Did I write that good? "Stopping the Name of JAH"? Yes I did. Don't you see how wrong this is? It's like "admitting" that only Rasta knows JAH. That's what's going on....

And there is more going on. It is indeed admitted that these "gospel reggae artists" have been taught by Mark Mohr. Okay? That's what you read in the interview. So then how come these guys are so ignorant when it comes to Rastafari? Is that not exactly the same as putting a wrong definition of Rastafari on the website of Christafari? And then, when through these "mistakes" (probably caused by a "christianese correctness" neccesary for sponsors?) the fruits become clear, does JAH get the blame?

I again agree with the other Dubman that the Name Christafari (TM, did you know that?) should be changed as well....
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 03:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems at times that you just ignore what was said so that you can get right to presenting your own premade idea.

That is not reasoning, that is preaching.

Now, I will totally concede the point that Christafari was not the greatest name choice, as a matter of fact I think the name was at first Lion of Zion, but I don't know where the name change took place.

I would have prefered Lion of Zion. But I was not asked.

I am wondering, something here, both GFD, and Messian Dread, is the purpose of these critiques to help them in their goals, or just vent your views of what is wrong with them? Because there is much value in knowing that. If your idea is to help them with their vision in acheiving what God has set out to do then GREAT! If you are not giving this with that purpose in mind then please explain exactly your heart in this matter.

Now I know that sometimes to build something alot of work is needed to get to the bedrock so that the building can commence. So is the idea to get to the bed rock and build up or just to tear down what has already been built?

Tearing them down to rebuild them in your own image is wicked. I hope that is not the point, because that would be very close to the thing that you are saying they are doing.

So please clarify the heart that you have in this, before we go on.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 03:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you please go into the contents of the critique instead of questioning the critisizing?
We've been past this. I have repeatly stated why I write what I write. Look at the discussion I had with Mike Roots and check yourself too. We've been past this. So could you please go into the contents of the critique instead of questioning the critisizing?
This is a distraction what you are doing. The points I make I make them from my heart, a heart that loves JAH and does not want to please man. We've been past this. So could you please go into the contents of the critique instead of questioning the critisizing?
You asked me a question and I answered the question. Then you respond by questioning my integrity. Could you please go into the contents of the critique instead of questioning the critisizing?
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 04:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read this thread and never saw a place that you answered it other than saying these topic need to be debated.

What exact purpose is behind making them debatable?

Again is the purpose to help or to hinder?

This is by no means a distraction, it allows you to show your heart. You should jump at the chance to express how this is pleasing to God.

If the purpose of this is to help them fulfil their vision that they believe God has given them, then by all means critize away. The rebuke of a friend is a good thing. But if your intent is just venting of your own views then there is nothing to talk about.

I have answered EVERY single point that you have brought up. Yet you have not answered mine. Please go back and answer my questions and then this would be reasoning.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 04:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
Jetze I reread the interview that you posted and I would like to hear your comment on this paragraph of it...


I wouldn't know how using a Name of God is wrong in any case. It's kind of like stopping prophesying when prophesies actually fullfill...

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I see this reply by Mark as a change from using the Name Jah as a move to change what he saw happening that was disrespecting Rastas, and taking the "Church" to a level of disrespect or Rastas. He seems to be saying that he wanted to change the image of Rasta in the Church community, by placing the Name Jah in a place of higher respect rather than one of disrespect towards Rastas and Selassie.


How can there be such a situation caused by calling on the Name of the Creator? Isn't the fact that JAH is a biblical Name of God (God comes, like Allah, from names/words of idols did you know that?) a thing that binds us all? Shouldn't we look at that? At the fact that we want to follow the Creator though Kristos? Why then stopping the Name of JAH? Did I write that good? "Stopping the Name of JAH"? Yes I did. Don't you see how wrong this is? It's like "admitting" that only Rasta knows JAH. That's what's going on....

And there is more going on. It is indeed admitted that these "gospel reggae artists" have been taught by Mark Mohr. Okay? That's what you read in the interview. So then how come these guys are so ignorant when it comes to Rastafari? Is that not exactly the same as putting a wrong definition of Rastafari on the website of Christafari? And then, when through these "mistakes" (probably caused by a "christianese correctness" neccesary for sponsors?) the fruits become clear, does JAH get the blame?
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 04:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using the name of God had little to do with the point of what was said. That spin on the idea is off.

The point was that he saw a bunch of youth Dancehall DJs not giving proper respect and set out to correct it, because it is a hinderance to have guys mocking Rastas, knowing nothing of Rasta teachings while at the same time using the Name Jah.

In the past you had contempt that he used the Name Jah, so when he decided to quit doing that, it doesn't make you happy either.

So if he was to change the name of the Band to something else you surely would be saying that it was because he was a hypocrite... give me a break. Just admit that he can do nothing good in your eyes, then we can see where the perspective is...
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 05:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

to answer your question blam... i dont even know the guy mark or anyone in christafari unless i do and dont know i do.... i never even listen to their music because of how much the name turn me off..and i know never judge a book by the cover, but when the cover turns ya off how much better could the message be?? People Should be Careful How They Represent their Spirituality because it leads to Mass Confusion... i got not a 1 thing against any member of that band, i just think the name is Contrary to Christian Beliefs and uses the name of Rastafari for a Marketing Scheme...again that is only how it appears to me, im not sayin everyone thinks that or you wouldnt have a fan base....im sorry if i have offended anyone with my comments as i would only hope it would help those in Charge of Changing the name of Christafari to something else for the betterment of Christian Music and the Gospel Itself..just to much mix up from what i see..and if i can see that, how many more you think can as well?..especially those who know and Love Reggae Music.
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