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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 08:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well.. good topic.. good debate..

MD just as a comment, the Admin's point about keeping a topic somewhat concise holds relevance because often times I want to post to topics but have no time because there is so much to comment on. I enjoy reading all of your posts but sometimes summing things up is a good way to get a direct answer quickly. I had a hard time understanding the beginning of the post... anywayz.. to the topics..

About the name Christafari: Anyone checked into Mark's definition of Christoforos meaning followers of Christ? GFD in my opinion you have negated your own words by admitting that you have not listened to any of their music or really cared to understand where they are coming from. This is no attack or anything but how can you expect your reasonings to have any validity? That's like me saying: "I don't like the name "GFD Music" I think it's nonesense and represents nothing. I have not listened to his music and don't care to because that name turns me off so I hope he would consider changing his name because it offends me." It's just not constructive.

About using the name Jah: MD, I have echoed this before in another thread and I don't know if you remember, but I understand where you are coming from with that concern. I see the change out of neccessity for clarity in what Christafari believe and stand for. For me personally it's a non-issue although when speaking with certain individuals I can understand how some people are confused between Rasta and Christian beliefs.

Before I used to get alot of emails from my website asking me personally If I was a rasta or if I was a Christian. That's because the way I wrote it I never CLARIFIED what belief I chose to associate myself with. I don't think it's fair to read all that I have written and then ask me "well, what do you believe?" My faith in Christ does not dictate that I should have to "choose" anything but Christ. But for some odd reason people just did not get it, some still won't. So I chose to add one sentence to my site that stopped all the many emails on the same topic from coming: "I am a Christian." Sometimes I feel as if people don't care to read the whole story like you said earlier and just want to fast-forward to "Okay, so what is the answer? Which one has the true doctrine? Or which one should I believe?" I see the choice that Mark made to clarify himself as a Christian and nothing more. It can only be an offense to someone if they did not understand what Christafari was all about in the beginning anyway. If anyone knew anything about the band they would know that they have always been and still are a Christian Reggae Band.

To me Jesus asks us all the time to be a light of his testimony. Some have referred to associations of Red Gold and Green and Reggae music, and the implications of a Christian misrepresenting themselves under those physicalities. To me reggae music and the colors of such represent a universal idea to all those that primarily have a love and affection for Reggae music Period. You can call someone who choses to wear locks and support red gold and green for the wrong reasons superficial but then so is the man who walks around in a $1000 suit who is nothing but a shmuck.

Basically what I'm saying is that when I first heard about Mark and Christafari I saw a young Christian kid that was a huuge reggae affectionado who even went through a time period of considering professing to be a Rastafarian (this is what i interpreted from what i have read, not to be misconscrued as the truth) but for who's God's calling it was to play Christian Reggae Music. I have seen alot of maturity in the looks and lyrics and content of his music. To me people choose to see what they want to see. If you see the music, the colors, the packaging, the marketing etc. as a "front" to make money then that's all that Christafari is going to mean to you. But I have always known Mark to be a Christian first and to me that's how Christians should be living anyway wether they choose to dress in a suit and tie or sporting red gold and green.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 08:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing about change: I think that people get too used to one idea or one way of looking at things. To me I see Jah as never-changing just as his word is never changing but at the same time this earth turns and revolves and we have seasons and feelings and emotions that change so we as humans don't know what true consistency is do we? Our christian life is based on a choice to follow God's word and to allow him to lead us where he wants us to follow. (Versus walking in the dark) I think a better question to ask Mark about using the name Jah is that wether or not he was led by God to make that change. I dunno.. for me it's still a non-issue but I am not as involved in ministry as he is.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 11:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
Using the name of God had little to do with the point of what was said.


I do not agree with that.

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knowing nothing of Rasta teachings while at the same time using the Name Jah.


Using the Name of JAH, calling on His Name, is never wrong. The wrongness is is the ignorance about Rasta. And if people are ignorant, why aren't they taught?

I'll not go into the other remarks and no I do not dislike Mark Mohr.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 12:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze,

teaching young Christian Dancehall Artists about Rasta doctrines does little. The point is why should these youth refer to God as Jah when they have not their whole life, because in the West Indies there is a stigma against it? It is the same thing that you seem to have against Mark. If Jah is used out of sincerity then great use that name all you want! But if you are just trying to sound like Sizzla and Capleton to "reach" their fans then folks see through it. So the reason really boils down to the fact that he was indeed seing a point behind some of your argument. So let's move on.

To help or hinder, is still the real question. I am reminded of Nehemiah. If you are here to build then get some bricks, but if not then stop throwing them.

You said that you have no dis-like of Mark. Good, but that still does not really answer if your intent is to strengthen his vision or to hinder it. Maybe you have not fully answered this for your self, and that would be understand able.

I am not against reasoning these topics, but I am for knowing why we are doing it. This is not distraction, it is context, and perspective. Knowing the exact purpose of surgery is much better than exploritory surgery every time.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 13:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
teaching young Christian Dancehall Artists about Rasta doctrines does little. The point is why should these youth refer to God as Jah when they have not their whole life, because in the West Indies there is a stigma against it?


Because JAH is a much more valid Name for our Creator then "God".
Ofcourse it is neccesary to teach people about the culture of Rastafari. why then are there FAQ entries with this definition of Rastafari? Would the situation that caused Christafari to no longer "use" the Name of JAH (with exceptions) have been there when with the Reggae teaching also a propper teaching about Rastafari would have been conducted?

I think that the fruits we discuss now, could have been prevented. I am happy that the fruits are recognized and something is tried to be done against it (excuses for my grammar).

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You said that you have no dis-like of Mark. Good, but that still does not really answer if your intent is to strengthen his vision or to hinder it. Maybe you have not fully answered this for your self, and that would be understand able.


It's obvious that we do not approach this from the same side. I am not you, and perhaps when you would be posting like I do you would do it for some negative reason but I am not you. No I do not dislike Mark Mohr, no I do not question his identity as a Brother in Kristos, no I am not dissing. Why must I allways say that in every post?

My intent is to strengthen my own perception on this. Christafari is a phenomena that intrigues me, and I am also confronted many times by people who have questions and remarks concerning Christafari. I am observing and asking questions.

It's kind of simple, really. The things I write are my genuine thoughts. I am looking for genuine answers. Sometimes the answers I get I allready thought that too and therefore I have a follow-up question. All the questions I ask I ask them to myself too. I am asking the questions in order to get a better picture in my head.

I hope that you now know that I am not into what you think I am into. When I would have something personal against Mark Mohr I would fe real discuss that in private. So where we might not understand each other many times, can't we just acknowledge each other's genuinity? If I would be a Christafari-basher or however you call it I would have done so in a massive way allready many times.

So can we now move on and deal with the real issues?
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 13:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see what the big deal is with the name Christafari. It is obviously a spin off Reggae and Rasta but glorifys Christ. You can say that Salassie would not approve, but if you look at what Reggae and the whole Rasta movement has done with his image and person in the first place, he might actually be all for it. They are one of the few people in the world who actually are trying to set that path str8!!! Go burn up the false reggae prophets if you wanna burn some fire.

Furthermore , by saying you never listened to any of their music makes your whole argument even more silly. Throwin out the baby with the bathwater. Of all the music in the world to burn fire on, I would think a christian reggae band would be the last thing for any christian, unless you think reggae riddims are from the devil or something, which I know isnt the case.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 16:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

burt,
Good post-true words!
Trod On!!!!

Coolpoete,
Your words are always insightful and very in depth.
Blessins'.

Blaminack,
Continue in love as you always seem to do.
Blessings in Yeshua everytime.

MD,
It is encouraging to see the way JAH uses you.
JAH word is a double edged sword and you are always able to use BOTH edges!
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 17:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

i still say the name christafari is lame far as all that goes.. and is nothing but a way to make money on Rastafari's name & fame... Rastafari is more Famous then Jesus is in reggae music....so why not combine the 2 names and make a buck.... and thats how i see it... im sorry if its not that way...Christafari = JesusSelassie ..... and if you cant see the Hypo-crazy in that then again you have my regards....GFD = Ganjah Fyah Dub, We Promote the Use of Marijuana to the Fullest and if you dont like that then dont listen to us... i could care less...one thing i do know is i dont go around tryin to make money from mixing Jesus Christ and Haile Selassie like they is peanut butter and jelly....call it what you will, to me it's just wrong... if you seen a record at the store with a pentagram and 666 written on it but the name said Christasatan..would you give it a try ?..or would sight from the beginning that it is mislead and carry on?? either ya seemie or ya dont....blesss
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