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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 21:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you seen a record at the store with a pentagram and 666 written on it but the name said Christasatan..would you give it a try ?.


You are relating Selassie (who confessed Jesus as Lord and Savior) to satan! Whatever, you are the one that is trully mis-led.

Instead of reading the interview with Messian or reading the FAQ or even reading the lyrics or maybe even researching anything (related to Christafari and their ministry) you just talk blam blam boom boom.

You talk but you don't know.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 22:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

warrior wrote:
GFD
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if you seen a record at the store with a pentagram and 666 written on it but the name said Christasatan..would you give it a try ?.


You are relating Selassie (who confessed Jesus as Lord and Savior) to satan! Whatever, you are the one that is trully mis-led.

Instead of reading the interview with Messian or reading the FAQ or even reading the lyrics or maybe even researching anything (related to Christafari and their ministry) you just talk blam blam boom boom.

You talk but you don't know.



1st of i never mentioned Selassie's name, you did.... i just said as my Quote Above states..dont put words in my mouth nor say i am mislead after do so... you say i talk but i don't know.. what dont i know? how would you know what i know from what i dont know? who made you judge? i merely asked a Question and you have gotten carried away with your judgemental thoughts..how am i mislead? where are all of these idea's coming from in your head?? i never said what you said i did....you should come again, and come with love next time... blesssss
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 23:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

and not only that i just made a great post Celebrating the Life of Jesus Christ by Haile Selassie for everyone here...so don't go saying im dissing selassie when i never mention his name 1 time in regards to your comments and any posts i have made about Selassie has been about how much of a Outstanding Christian Leader he was, and also that he is not God....why dont you read what i have said and show me where im wrong and mislead since you have called it out.... id like to know
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 23:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

GFD,

I think that you should reconsider your stand on the name Christafari being a basis for making money. I have no problem with the other part of your reasoning on this by the way, but the money making deal is way off.

First of all, do you really think that you were the only Reggae fan that took the approach that you did? Saying they wouldn't listen to them just because they mixed the two?

Many Hardcore Reggae fans were offended by it, Messian Dread and yourself are just a tip of that iceberg.

On the other hand the Conservative Chruch folks rejected the name mix too, but because they think it is too close to the worldly. They don't want the Gospel presented in any way that takes them out of their own idea of what it should sound like.

So together the sales are quite low in comparison to bands with much less talent that are more mainstream. I hope you understand the double negative involved in this in referance to the name Christafari being a money scheme. They have not grown to the level that they could under a more palatable name. With a name like Lion of Zion I think they would have had a much wider fan base, as the majority of the music is better in quality than alot the recycled riddims of secular Reggae and is differant enough from the southern Gospel mindset there could have been much wider acceptance in the Christian community.

So no this was not a money making deal, if it was it was a ways off.
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PostPosted: 21 May 2004 23:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
GFD,

I think that you should reconsider your stand on the name Christafari being a basis for making money. I have no problem with the other part of your reasoning on this by the way, but the money making deal is way off.

First of all, do you really think that you were the only Reggae fan that took the approach that you did? Saying they wouldn't listen to them just because they mixed the two?

Many Hardcore Reggae fans were offended by it, Messian Dread and yourself are just a tip of that iceberg.

On the other hand the Conservative Chruch folks rejected the name mix too, but because they think it is too close to the worldly. They don't want the Gospel presented in any way that takes them out of their own idea of what it should sound like.

So together the sales are quite low in comparison to bands with much less talent that are more mainstream. I hope you understand the double negative involved in this in referance to the name Christafari being a money scheme. They have not grown to the level that they could under a more palatable name. With a name like Lion of Zion I think they would have had a much wider fan base, as the majority of the music is better in quality than alot the recycled riddims of secular Reggae and is differant enough from the southern Gospel mindset there could have been much wider acceptance in the Christian community.

So no this was not a money making deal, if it was it was a ways off.




agreed fully blam..... im not bashing them as much as it seems i am but you can't talk about this stuff without it being offensive cause in the end your tellin someone their name is unrighteous and unbecoming as Christians and nobody wants to hear that, so... if i seem to give that impression im sorry but i dont know how else to say it... and your probally right, the name has hurt them more then it has helped them, so why on that fact alone, change the name and get on with it?? why drag a dead horse in the muddd??
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PostPosted: 22 May 2004 00:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that I have no answer for, other than name recognition maybe, but I think there is a move away from it happening. On the last CD that came out the tittle was Mark Mohr and Christafari. I would not be suprised to see a CD somewhere in the future under just Mark Mohr and the "__________". That would be a way to wean the fans off of the name, and transition them to another. But on the other hand with so much material ALREADY out under Christafari no matter what they could change the name too there is still that body of work.
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PostPosted: 22 May 2004 10:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's go a little deeper into the name issue. It's obvious, that when Christafari would not sound like Rastafari this name would never have been used. There is a philosophy behind thinking off a name like this.

This philosophy you can see it many times in the "Christian Metal" scene. Often, in the heavy metal culture, the bands have antichrist names. Christians who are working in that area, and I have nuff respect for them, often take something from such an antichrist name and then "christianize" it so to speak.

Where in the heavy metal world, this is a perfectly overstandable "method", I disagree when this is done when it comes to Rastafari.

Why is it overstandable in one case and not in the other?

Because, when you "christianise" certain things, you are like "reversing" things. You are showing that you are not on their way, and where they like to provoke Christians by showing that they're anti-christ, you are actually provoking them by showing in the names that the Most High is the Conqueror.

But when you do the same in Rasta, you will give Rasta the same vibe as the antichrists. It will immediatly create an "us vs them" vibe.

If you change a name like "Satanical Music Rockers" into "Yesus Music Rockers", you send a message with that. You say: "I am not a satanist, I follow the Saviour". In the case of the satanical rockers, this is very neccesary. It is crucial to seperate yourself from those who are praising satan by stating that they do the opposite of what they are supposed to do, namely to worship the Creator.

Rastafari means "Head of Creation" or "Head Creator", and ultimately refers to the Only One Who Is Rightfully To Carry That Title, and that is ofcourse JAH Himself. Even those that believe Selassie to be Jah. They would not worship Selassie if they would not think that he is the Creator. I do not know if I am brining this across in a manner everyone can overstand, but it is kind of crucial nevertheless.

There's nothing wrong with the title or the word "Rastafari" but there is a lot wrong with the title or word "satan". So changing Rastafari into Christafari sends a completely wrong message.

Many people see a confirmation in it, that the white geezus church is indeed from babylon, because Rastafari shows that the god of babylon, even if he's called geezus, is a false god.
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PostPosted: 22 May 2004 20:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

very well said messian dread, Respect Due
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