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PostPosted: 22 May 2004 22:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

So really it boils down to the idea that Christafari considers Rastafari a false religion, and then mixes the name with that tittle. Seen understood.


The deeper question is Rasta really a religion or merely a culture? If it is really JUST religion then your point is valid. That would be like saying like saying Christamormon. Seen understood.

But if it is a Culture that is varied and individualised then it may be that your point is not quite so strong. There are members of all Cultures that follow Christ and there are members of all Cultures who reject Christ. So in that context the name Christafari would be valid. Why? Because the mixture is not with something inherently false but just a statment of the goal. To Bring Christ to Rastafarians that don't know him.

There are millions of Sub-cultures across this world. People can be part of many at one time, but we often lump people into HUGE Culture divisions so the subtilies are missed. There is for Example a Jungle Music Culture, with in the Drum and Bass Culture. Now this Culture is build on the basis of the predominant music choice, so then what would be wrong with a Christian Group calling them selves JesusJungle?

See this really all hinges on Rasta being Culture or Relgion.

For the overall thing I see more culture, and then Religious Sub Cultures with in the larger whole.

Am I being clear?
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PostPosted: 22 May 2004 22:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So really it boils down to the idea that Christafari considers Rastafari a false religion, and then mixes the name with that tittle. Seen understood.


Yes, that is a correct summary.

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The deeper question is Rasta really a religion or merely a culture? If it is really JUST religion then your point is valid. That would be like saying like saying Christamormon. Seen understood.


Yes, that is the deeper question. Or one of the....

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But if it is a Culture that is varied and individualised then it may be that your point is not quite so strong. There are members of all Cultures that follow Christ and there are members of all Cultures who reject Christ. So in that context the name Christafari would be valid. Why? Because the mixture is not with something inherently false but just a statment of the goal. To Bring Christ to Rastafarians that don't know him.


My point remains strong because Rastafari is portrayed as another religion. About the "culture approach", I completely overstand that you say when it is a culture then my point isn't strong since the "all things to all men" can be applied to culturality so to speak. Still it is.

This is explained in the description I gave to the approach of some Christians who know themselves to be working in the field ofg the heavy metallers. They have to change names for it is the Lord God JAH that gets the glory and not satan.

But Rastafari means "Head Of Creation". When you see Rastafari as a culture and you change that name of that culture, you still give the impression that there is something wrong with Rastafari in itself. Seen?


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Now this Culture is build on the basis of the predominant music choice, so then what would be wrong with a Christian Group calling them selves JesusJungle?


Now, Rasta Culture ofcourse is not built on the basis if the predominant music. Rastafari was there long before there was even a mention of SKA, rock stead, or REGGAE Music.

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For the overall thing I see more culture, and then Religious Sub Cultures with in the larger whole.


I see it as a culture from my Christian perspective, for the simple reason that when you have two Rastas you'll have three different meditations on things which are considered fundamental within Christianity.

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Am I being clear?


Yes, and we're getting near.........
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PostPosted: 25 May 2004 06:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Rastafari means "Head Of Creation". When you see Rastafari as a culture and you change that name of that culture, you still give the impression that there is something wrong with Rastafari in itself. Seen?

If I can offer something here:
As I understand the Christafari song "Why you a go look" This really in my opinions brings these "opposing poles" together. First I see/visualize a division between the Christians and the Rastas as many in this world choose to see things, as Messian pointed out. BUT Really there is no division. There is just truth, just as Jah IS. In the song why you a go look they have quoted the words of Selassie, the one who is titled "Head Creator" himself. If we can accept what Selassie said as truth.... to the Rasta way of life, in all honesty we can also accept that Christafari is really echoing what Selassie said, which to me does not indicate that something is wrong with Rastafari in of itself. It's just a point of overstanding. Just like how much of the Christian church has been mis-interpreted so is the Rasta movement. No one is out... or I should say, no one should be attempting to diss/change/christianize/... truth. You can't, because it is what it is.

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PostPosted: 25 May 2004 06:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
So really it boils down to the idea that Christafari considers Rastafari a false religion, and then mixes the name with that tittle. Seen understood.


You know, I should have asked this before I wrote my post... Is this in fact Christafari's standpoint?
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PostPosted: 25 May 2004 10:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

CP, in my view it is difficult, because it seems that there is a difference in what the FAQ's state on this site about the nature of Rastafari and what Mark Mohr has spoken in personal conversation (as reported to me).

The FAQ make scant provision for Rasta to be other than a homogenous "false religion" whereas Mark seemingly does recognise that the reality is much more complex. Not all rastas deify or "venerate" (in a wrong way) HIM - possibly not even "most rastas" as the FAQ says.

I see this as a problem, because it neither represents neither Rastafari as a movement or the beliefs of Mark Mohr/Christafari accurately.
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PostPosted: 25 May 2004 12:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think much of the real problem is Symantics.
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PostPosted: 25 May 2004 13:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

If semantics make comprehension difficult that that places a higher burden to communicate in such a way that what is intended by the use of symbols, words or concepts will be clearly comprehended in the way we intend by someone seeing or hearing what we say and do.

In this process we need to appreciate that the perspectives of others may result in them "receiving" what we say in a different way to what we intend to communicate. We have to penetrate the worldview and belief framework they operate in so that we can adapt how we communicate, in order to communicate clearly and not cause unnecessary offenses and problems

I think this outward sensitivity towards how communication will be interpreted is something which been lacking in the past in the engagement of Christafari with rasta. This has created problems of perception and mistrust which persist to this day.
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PostPosted: 25 May 2004 13:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. There is a mistrust that never should have been, because of this. The intention of Christafari has never been to alienate Rastas. Yet this has happened to some extent due to misunderstandings, miscommunications, etc.

Fans of Christafari or not if we are Christians, or job is to witness Christ to those that don't know him. Not all Rastas fall into that category, but some think they do but don't. The same could be said of the men on the Church Pew.
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