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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 02:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolpoete wrote:
and it was going so well..

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after all, Rastafarianism is a Black Movement for the Black man
that shows how much you know about the movement. Nobody requires that you have to like Christafari or their music or beliefs but please, get your facts straight at least.


coolpoete... i am going to show you that in fact it is a Black Movement for the Black Man, you have no idea what you are talking about if you think otherwise, so anyway.. here ya go,

Let me say that Rastafarians believe that the death of Haile Selassie was a conspiracy and that he did not truly die. They also believe that Jesus was Black, and not the only "messiah". Haile Selassie was the living God on earth and another version of Jesus Christ. I bring this topic here, because I feel many do not truly understand Rastafarianism and only think of it as weed smoking dreadlocks, plus I wanted to discuss why Rastas hold on to this belief, even though Haile Selassie never accepted the idea of him being a messiah and encouraged the Rastas to read and study the scriptures (He was a member of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church). However, the faith and beliefs of the Rastafarians persisted and he remains a revered figure.
A Rasta to this day will greet you with "Greeting in the name of the most high, H.I.M Haile Selassie". They had also claimed that Selassie had nail marks in the palm of his hand proving his divinity.Rastafarian Religion has in roots in Garvinism. Marcus Garvey, a Jamaican, who promoted the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA) in the 1920s. The organization's main goal was to unite black people with their rightful homeland, Africa. Garvey believed that all black people in the western world should return to Africa since they were all descended from Africans. He preached that the European colonizers, having fragmented the African continent, unfairly spread the African population throughout the world.
Garvey was considered a prophet by many and he even spoke in a very prophetical way. He assured his followers, "No one knows when the hour of Africa's redemption cometh. It is in the wind. It is coming. One day, like a storm, it will be here." He told blacks to "look to Africa for the crowning of a king to know that your redemption is near." In 1930, Prince Ras Tafari Makonnen was crowned the new Emperor of Ethiopia. Upon his coronation, he claimed for himself the title of Emperor Haile Selassie (Power of the Trinity). This announcement was a monumental event that many blacks in Africa and the Americas saw as the fulfillment of Garvey's prophecy years before. After the crowning of Selassie, the Rastafarian movement gained a following and officially began. Ironically, Selassie was never a Rastafarian himself, and no one is really sure what he ever thought of his following. Also noteworthy is the fact that Garvey himself was admittedly not an admirer of Haile Selassie, and he went as far as to attack the Ethiopians as "crazy fanatics". Haile Selassie visited Jamaica on April 21, 1966, while the country was amid an ongoing national social crisis in which Rastas were perceived by the majority as a revolutionary threat that had to be defused. During this first and final trip to Jamaica, Selassie met with several Rastafarian leaders. The visit resulted in two profound developments within the Rastafarian movement. First, Selassie convinced the Rastafarian brothers that they "should not seek to immigrate to Ethiopia until they had liberated the people of Jamaica." Second, from that day forth, April 21st has been celebrated as a special holy day among Rastafarians, "Grounation Day." To Rastafarians, Selassie was much more than just a political leader; Rasta theology centered on the divinity of Selassie as a living manifestation of Jah, the all-knowing and all-loving God. To Rastafarians, the story told by the Old Testament pertains to black Africans who descend from Abraham and Jacob. But white Christians altered this fact to keep Africans in a substandard position. Rastafarians refer to this oppression as "Babylon", with obvious references to a state of slavery and cultural tyranny that all blacks must overcome. To greater represent the truth, Rasta rejects the Bible used by most Christians, opting instead for a "black man's Bible" known as the The Holy Piby.... are you Reading this?.


Leonard Howell (Rasta Founder) gave the Rastafarians six fundamental principles:

Hatred for the white race.

The complete superiority of the black race.

Revenge on whites for their wickedness.

The negation, persecution, and humiliation of the government and legal bodies of Jamaica.

Preparation to go back to Africa, and

Acknowledging Emperor Haile Selassie as the Supreme Being and only ruler of black people.

Concepts that are key to Rastafarian beliefs:

Babylon: "Babylon" is the Rastafarian term for the white political power structure that has been holding the black race down for centuries. In the past, Rastas claim that blacks were held down physically by the shackles of slavery. In the present, Rastas feel that blacks are still held down through poverty, illiteracy, inequality, and trickery by the white man. The efforts of Rastafarianism is to attempt to remind blacks of their heritage and have them stand up against this Babylon.

I and I: This concept has become "the most important theoretical tool apart from the Babylonian conspiracy in the Rastafarian repertoire." Cashmore explains, "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness, the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we're one people in fact. I and I means that God is in all men. The bond of Ras Tafari is the bond of God, of man. But man itself needs a head and the head of man is His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia."

Jah: The Rastafarian name for God is Jah. The presence of Jah in His children and in the world is the triumph over the tribulations of everyday life. Ethiopia specifically, and Africa in general, is considered the Rastas heaven on Earth. However, there is no afterlife or hell as Christianity believes.

Before you ever try to call someone out again COOLPOETE, why don't you make sure yourself that you know what your talking about, i wonder how many of you people here actually knew any of this.... preach on you Christafarian... Can't you all see you are your own BIGGEST PROBLEM?... you can't blame Leonard Howell who hated every white man alive even till his death, that you took his Secular Religion and mixed it with Christ True Love.... You have No Justification... None of you do
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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 02:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blaminack, you're right in your analogy but still it's kind of unclear. Read the following without knowing anything about Rasta:

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I was involved with gangs, drugs, lust, and every other sort of rebellion from God possible. I later got involved in Rastafarianism and began growing a small plantation of ganja. I had many brushes with the law and even ran away from home and ended up living on the streets.

taken from: http://www.christafari.com/bio/meet_mark.html

Now this is how others interpretate that:
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He had gotten into drugs and boos and eventually Rastafarianism to the point of growing ganja for distribution. At 17 through a prodding attempt of his praying parents, the dope smoking Mohr went to a Christian youth camp.

taken from: http://www.salemxm.com/torch/christafari.shtml

It's the "brushes with the law" , "ending on the streets", how does the analogy show that Rastafari could perhaps have been an influence for him to get to know JAH, to prepare him to becvome born again? Mind you, this works on a subconscious level in the hearts and minds of readers. It's a certain image of Rastafari that is portrayed in the minds of the Christians.

In the interview I read it was written even more into the idea that violence etc was integrally connected with his life until he became born again. I can try to find it, it's online somewhere.

One might ask themselves, well why should a Christian know anything about Rastafari? I think the mere deeper subjects of this thread answers that question. The mere fact that there is mention of that what is written in the faq's (causing the confusion, in any way portraying it out in the open for everyone to see) is not or no longer what Christafari stands for shows the neccesity too.

Mike, you're 100% right in that people should have the room tro grow, to be purified, and all that. Absolutely. But why, oh why, are these faq's unchanged. why oh why stopping to call JAH by His Name, when the fruits of the faq's (i know i simplify, but for the sake of clarity) are not dealt with that way. Not at all.
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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 03:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze,

There is often a huge gap between what we say and how we are interpreted. I can be TOTALLY responsible for what I say, but I cannot be responsible for what you take from it.

An example is this,

I say to my wife, "Wow, you look gorgeous in that dress!" \

She hears, "Wow, that dress is nice but the others make you look fat."

Why? Her mind twisted my words to fit her own interpretation.
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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 08:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE NAME
Pronounced CHRIST-AH-FAR-EYE, in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, Christafari is the name given to "a group of people who collectively represent Christ."


ummm..... i thought the name was Christian.


that quote is coming from this site about and from Christafari.... tell me how that is misunderstood... Mark...Show me in the bible Where Christafari is mentioned 1 time. the Bible say's no such thing.


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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 09:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

GFD, you need to be aware that your (Cashmore's) definition of "what rastafari is" represents only ONE definition used by SOME of rasta, and it is one which was made 25 years ago.

Many things have changed and moved on since then. You should check Twelve Tribes of Israel, for example, who definitely do not see rasta in this Howellite way.

I am not someone who is a big defender of Christafari philosphy at all, in case you think I say this as someone who is.
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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 10:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

think about how long the bible was written. and yet the Word Remains the Same for all as Intented. Now if i take that Bible and Change it to suit my needs and my own Opinion's then i am not Following the Bible as Intended therefore i would not be able to say that i Followed It's way's but i could say that i took what i saw fit and made my own bible out of it, and that is what is goin on here with the so called Rasta's of Today.. they are not Rasta as Rastafarianism was Intended to be, They ( in most cases ) are Completely Something Totally Different and thus they should be Considered Not Rasta just the same way as someone who only took peices of the words of Christ to Further their own cause couldnt call themselves a Christian... Something to think about
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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 10:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

i gotta good name you could call those people... Christafarians
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PostPosted: 26 May 2004 12:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look GFD, hold any opinion that you like, but the kind of posts that you have posted in this thread are not going to work. Disagree with the purpose of this thing all that you want. Disagree with the methods all that you want. Bash them and call them liars and your posts will be gone. Messian Dread has few places of agreement, with this, yet he maintains himself to get his points across. You are ruining your ability to witness effectivly here.

Please consider this your last time for advisment on this matter. We want you to be able to share your feelings, but your tone is ruining your opportunity to do so. If you value this, then please say what you have to say in a way that is not hatefull. You have left your respect and one love to all stance and have become quite venomous, please stop, and return your first works.
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