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ZIONSLAVE
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PostPosted: 29 May 2004 16:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also,(as a side note) this may be one of the main differences (from an outsiders perspective) between Rastafari and Christafari. Its almost as if the Christafari mentality is that the Rasta culture itself is something bad. That instead of working along side of Rastafarianism it sort of looks down on opposes it. This is why you have folks like Ganja Fiya dub who got the wrong impression of the true goal of Christafari. I think this could really be a something to pray about for Christafari and the people involved with it, like you and I. Even the word Christafari in some way could be looked at positively or negatively, its up to the individual. What could be done to try to clarify the type of communication that is desired, with the ultimate goal being a purer picture of Christ and his supernatural power? As you can see GFD or ((messenger)) was really influenced by the Light,Truth, and Word of Christ. I think this is just a small example of the kind of changes and power that Jah is willing and able to do through His people the more we make a point of trying to be clear about our own stance.
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PostPosted: 30 May 2004 05:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZIONSLAVE wrote:
Its almost as if the Christafari mentality is that the Rasta culture itself is something bad. That instead of working along side of Rastafarianism it sort of looks down on opposes it.


That's a powerful statement. Christafari means 'bearer of Christ' That is also a strong statement. I think to call yourselves....ourselves....Christafarians, we need to remember who we represent. We represent Christ -- all the time, not just when we feel like it.

Now, the thing about what Zionslave said that disturbs me is.... where did this idea that the Christafari mentality thinks that the rasta culture is bad? I have worked along side Mark Mohr in the mission field and never once have I seen him look down on Rastas. Mark has been a great role model for me in teaching me that love, respect and affirming ones worth is how a believer should witness to a non-believer. The thing that should separate true God followers from the rest of the world is the way we treat people.....we treat them with the love and respect that they deserve, cause they too are created by God, to worship God. (I define God, the I AM - whose son Jesus Christ, died on the cross for my sins and rose again - victorious over the grave.....

All that said, I think Rasta is a culture. Can you be a Christian and a Rasta? Yeah, I think you can. Just like you can be Mexican and a Christian or Iraqi and a Christian or Swedish and a Christian....or me, 8 different nationalities and at heart Jamaican and a Christian.

Devon
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PostPosted: 30 May 2004 06:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devon,

I thought about my post today. Then this evening I had the opportunity to read yours. This topic is a very sensitive one and I pray that I do not say a thing that is untruthful or misleading. That said, I must clarify what I have said in order to give you and others a better understanding of it. First, I do not know the mind of Mark or other Christifarians. I look at Christafari and the like from an outsiders perspective. If someone like me can misinterpret the ideas of Christafari as a believer what do you think the Rastafarian culture and others will do? This is why it is important for Christafari to evaluate thier own ministry. As far as I can tell without knowing the mind of Mark or others I do think that the heart of Christafari may be in the right place. That does not mean that the mind of Christafari is.

Secondly, I told you I was thinking about my post earlier today. Hoping I had not said anything to lead one astray. It all comes down to a matter of personal perspective. We must never fail to realize that the Word of God is what will divide. There is no question impossible for God. Nothing that will bring confusion from the mouth of Jah. Something you will see at times from God is called a mystery. That is not confusion. So, in order for there to be confusion we must have flesh and a sinful nature. This is why I say that Christafari should take a look inward. Not only Christafari; Also, Rastafari, Christianity, or best ourselves.

Something was said earlier about communication. Something along the lines of " we cannot control what is heard, only what is said..." I see this to be a very dangerous reasoning.This faulty reasoning goes along with a familiar question of "am I my brothers keeper?" The Bible says in Romans 14:16 " Let not your good be evil spoken of" we should be VERY VERY VERY concerned with how we appear to others. Never do we want to give the impression that we are something we are not. Mistakes will be made. People will misunderstand. But, we must make special efforts to be clear as crystal with our words and deeds. This is why I have made such a special point to speak out this last week or so. It is because when I see a thread labled "Christafari Doctrine" I immediately am interested because I am unsure of it. I also want to know if I can learn something from it or from others with a perspective tht may be biblical but with an angle I have not seen. This sort of thing is only given by God. I hope this clears up some for you. In short, I may be wrong about how Christafari views Rastafari. Does that mean I have done something wrong? Or should Christafari clarify..... This is an important reason why I have hoped for Marks participation in this thread. Still nothing from him. That is a sad thing seeing that this thread alone has been viewed over a thousand times already.

On the otherhand I must make a special point to say that a negative view on a belief system that makes someone other than Jesus God is good. Also a belief system that does not see Jesus as God is evil. These types of belief systems should be something that we all oppose whole heartedly. I say this because It would be a tragic thing for a person to be searching for truth in this forum and be told to work along side of Rastafari then be led into a path of death. Same for Christianity which I fear is even more common. Catholisim, Christian science, Christian mysticism, and even others like these prosperity "preachers" are leading and have led millions to hell. What will we do with the mouth and communication tools Jah has given us?
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PostPosted: 30 May 2004 13:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify, I don't think that I said that we are not to care what others hear if it is differant than what we said, I said we cannot be held responsible. There is in all of us thousands of things that we care about with out being responsible for.

Of course we should care what some one hears and that should shape how we say things, but it is going to happen that some one will approach a topic with their mind made up and their interpretation is set ahead of time. Just like the scenereo that I gave about my wife. If she has this in here head I could spent the rest of my life trying to be more clear, but she got her feelings hurt the first time.... understand?
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PostPosted: 30 May 2004 19:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

GodFollower wrote:
Now, the thing about what Zionslave said that disturbs me is.... where did this idea that the Christafari mentality thinks that the rasta culture is bad?


From the FAQ's, for example. From the usage of Rastafarian Symbology which is in no relation to the description of Rastafari. Yet there is a big connection and similarity with the way Christians approach the satan/metal scene.

This gives wrong fruits, as is partly to be found right here in this forum. And I respect the people who admit these things very much for doing so.

Just look around in this forum and educate yourself on the mentality that some portray concerning Rastafari. Perfect examples of the words "run up them mouth know not what them talk about".
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PostPosted: 30 May 2004 21:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

We must be sure that the doctrine we hold to and abide in is truly the doctrine of Christ, lest we be found to be without God and without His Son (2 Jn.9-11).

"For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matt.24:5).

"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of DOCTRINE which was delivered you" (Rom.6:17).
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PostPosted: 10 Jun 2004 11:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did you quote that?
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