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Christafari is not interested in updating their info because what is written now suits them better
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 12:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have just as much access to the web master as I do. I don't recall any one that is part of Christafari saying thing about what they think of the FAQ. There is no shift.

Again you have complained to the highest heavens about the perceived errors, but yet you offer nothing in the way of a better definition.

I could show tons of places online where the info is right on. But then I could also show tons of places that make it very fuzzy. How about the Rasta's website that makes the claim that God's name is in fact cannibas? Or how about the Rasta who says that true Ancient teachings for the black man come from the Temple of Orisha, or mix it in with a bit of New Age teachings. Or how about the Rastas that claim that Charles Edwards is the black Christ? Or how about those that say the white men can have nothing to do with real rasta teachings? Would you deny that those that say such things are part of a cult?

Then on the other hand there are those the believe the teachings of the Bible in a very reasonable way, that love and accept the same Christ that the Bible teaches. Who also reject ganja use. Yet they still claim Rasta...

Again offer up a definition that covers every one of them so we have something that is accurate.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 15:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
You have just as much access to the web master as I do. I don't recall any one that is part of Christafari saying thing about what they think of the FAQ. There is no shift.


Well, I guess then that all the discussion have been for nothing.

When I filter the rhetoric and debate techniques you utizilize out of what you write, I see you are not one bit interested in this all.

People come here and they have their info from the Christafari FAQ. Then they come here and start to "witness to Rastas" in such a way that I am happy with all those Rastafarians who DO see the difference between the babylonian idol geezus and the Saviour Yesus Kristos for otherwise they would have really hated the Son of JAH.

But so what, after all, you have the political correct massive behind you, and I am just a cannabis promoting rebel with nothing better to do.

Shame on you and I am serious in that.

I've had enough.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 18:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this FAQ information is a valid point of contention, however, I am not sure what the proper path towards resolution is.

When I read some of the information in the FAQ section, I am offended when I see that my views/convictions are not intelligently represented. Also, what I find frustrating is the use of RasTafari symbolism and phraseology used within a forum that is not RasTafari friendly. When I see the lion and sceptre, the mitre on his head and the magens in a reggae context, the ethio colors; I can only conclude this is RasTa conscious, if not RasTafari, information and music. This is not the case. I have not encountered Christian reggae from the islands with such a RasTa slant as far as imagery is concerned. I find this to be very unusual.

I purchased a Gotee Record VHS at a dollar store in my area and watched the Christafari interview and video. One of the definitions of Christafari is, "Christ, the Creator." Ras Tafari means, "Head Creator" or, rather, it is the title of nobility and Tafari which means, "Creator." It is evident that Christafari is a derivative of Christari. Also, Mr. Mohr states the bass player from a rock band, after being given some info from a new song states, "You are not a RasTafarian, now you are a Christafarian." Something to this effect is stated. Christafari is an outgrowth of Mr. Mohr's interest in RasTafari. This is evident to the eyes of any true student of RasTafari. I do not have a problem with this. This, on the other hand, is where I see a problem.

Mr. Mohr and others who could bring clarity to the RasTafari/Christafari question, set apart no time to discuss this topic. Many of the topics on the Rasta and Ganja Reasoning board are discussed in ignorance and arrogance. I, myself, have contributed to both of these categories. If Mr. Mohr would step up and bring clarity to the discussion, some of this friction could be resolved. No one has exclusive rights to Ethio, RasTa, and Afrika conscious imagery. I don't expect him or anyone else to discontinue behaviors that they deem acceptable, however, a little clarity and involvement in the board would be helpful. A brief synopsis of his journey from RasTafari to faith in Christ would clear up a lot of these arguments. In all honesty, I doubt that this will happen.

Anyway, as I look back over this board, I think that it should be discontinued. No real dialogue occurs here and Mr. Mohr, whom I view as a leader in the Christian/Rasta dialogue on this site, is conspicuously absent. A lot of this drama could be eliminate with a simple post, but this does appear to be the avenue of choice for the administers of this board.

In good faith, I will try to email Mr. Mohr directly and await a response (I understand that he is on tour). It is best to let people speak for themselves. I would simply like to know his side of the story concerning his trod in Rastafari and his eventual conversion to a Christian faith.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 18:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze you are wrong in saying that I am not interested. Do you not think that I could have better things to do than answer your complaints?

This has nothing to do with political correctness! That is your rhetorical way of trying to shut down the conversation yourself.

You're still mad that I am not swayed by the arguments that you have presented about Ganja? Why do I need your shame? I am NOT ashamed of telling the truth about the teachings of the Bible.

As far as your comments about witnessing to Rastas, sure there are some that come here that can be overzealous, and immature. Any Rasta can see through that. But for the most part the ones that take part in these conversations are knowledgable about the topic. Ras B, Coolpoet, Talking Dog, Jah Servant, for example. These are all about sharing the truth in love. Is that where the problem is?

We are here to offer Christ. Not force. Not coerce, either but why should we not speak truth as it is? I am truly sorry if we don't see things the same. I strive to live out Biblical Christianity, and if you can show where I stray from that then please let me know because if I am wrong in that then I MUST repent. But if the problem is that I speak the truth as I know it to be then the problem is not mine.

We have talked and talked and talked about what needs to change in the FAQ but you will not offer up something that would suit the purpose of the point better. I did however see some places that I needed to change in my thinking, there. One was to try to not make generalities. Be specific about which person or group I am refering to. Will you do the same in regards to Christians?
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 18:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just read the Bios at Christafari.com. Very interesting people.

Mr. Mohr was exposed to RasTafari @ 15 years of age and converted to the Christian belief system at the age of 17.75 or something like that. That leaves a very small window of opportunity to live the RasTafari way. Perhaps he has had a very limited exposure to the RasTa way, from a personal experience perspective (like myself). To live RasTafari at 15 is worlds apart from living it at 30 for instance. I am going to assume that his personal trod never left a very elementary state of growth and understanding of the complexities of RasTafari due to his age.

I think that this will greatly limit his effectiveness in transmitting the ideology to others as well as grasping it for himself, however, I have sent my email and await his (some moderator's) response.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 18:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronjudah wrote:
When I read some of the information in the FAQ section, I am offended when I see that my views/convictions are not intelligently represented.


Perhaps you should suggest changes? Your idea of emailing Mark Mohr directly is not a bad one.

For what it's worth, you can take some comfort in knowing that the FAQ only represents LOZ's views of Christianity, too. Other Christians with different beliefs from LOZ's are, like Rastas, not represented either.

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When I see the lion and sceptre, the mitre on his head and the magens in a reggae context, the ethio colors; I can only conclude this is RasTa conscious, if not RasTafari, information and music.


If that is your "only" conclusion, I think you may be deluding yourself, brother. All those images you mention --lions, scepters, mitres, magens, and even the colors of Ethiopia-- were Christian symbols before they were Rastafarian, and a number of them were Jewish even before they were adopted by Christians. Rastas adopted those symbols from Christianity, not the other way around.

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Ras Tafari means, "Head Creator" or, rather, it is the title of nobility and Tafari which means, "Creator."


"Ras" is a noble title which is sometimes loosely translated as "prince" or "duke." (Because the English monarchy doesn't operate the same way as the Ethiopian, there is no truly corresponding title.) "Tafari" means "to be feared" or "inspires awe."

Mohr tries to equate "Christafari" with the Greek term for Christ-bearer (christophoros, plural christophoroi), which is the root and meaning of the English name "Christopher." I'm not sure what relation, if any, he claims with Amharic.

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No one has exclusive rights to Ethio, RasTa, and Afrika conscious imagery.


Then why was your "only" conclusion that this would be "RasTa conscious, if not RasTafari, information and music"?
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 18:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arronjudah,

Am I wrong in thinking that you are recent convert to Twelve Tribes? You have come a long ways in your thinking in a short time too, is that not true?
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 19:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps you should suggest changes? Your idea of emailing Mark Mohr directly is not a bad one.


That would be an excellent idea for a thread. As time permits, I think that I will initiate it.

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For what it's worth, you can take some comfort in knowing that the FAQ only represents LOZ's views of Christianity, too. Other Christians with different beliefs from LOZ's are, like Rastas, not represented either.


True. It should also be noted that many RasTafari consider themselves Xians. Consdier Mr. Cowan. His son is a preacher and he sights no conflict between his RasTa ideology and church attendance.


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If that is your "only" conclusion, I think you may be deluding yourself, brother. All those images you mention --lions, scepters, mitres, magens, and even the colors of Ethiopia-- were Christian symbols before they were Rastafarian, and a number of them were Jewish even before they were adopted by Christians. Rastas adopted those symbols from Christianity, not the other way around.


The key is, "in a reggae context." When I see these symbols in a reggae context, it is definitely RasTafari symbology. Separately, they are Israelitish and Afrikan, combined they are definitely RasTafari.


[quote"Ras" is a noble title which is sometimes loosely translated as "prince" or "duke." (Because the English monarchy doesn't operate the same way as the Ethiopian, there is no truly corresponding title.) "Tafari" means "to be feared" or "inspires awe."

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"Ras" is a noble title which is sometimes loosely translated as "prince" or "duke." (Because the English monarchy doesn't operate the same way as the Ethiopian, there is no truly corresponding title.) "Tafari" means "to be feared" or "inspires awe."

Mohr tries to equate "Christafari" with the Greek term for Christ-bearer (christophoros, plural christophoroi), which is the root and meaning of the English name "Christopher." I'm not sure what relation, if any, he claims with Amharic.


Amharic is where he rec'd the, "Christ the Creator" term. Ras Tafari is like, "Head Creator" in Amharic. This was stated on the Gotee video that I mentioned.

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Then why was your "only" conclusion that this would be "RasTa conscious, if not RasTafari, information and music"?


The combination of the symbology, along with the music style and content, is RasTafari in its cultural expression. He is free to do as he sees fit. It seems that, with such symbology, there should be more clarity concerning his relationship with RasTafari.
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