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Christafari is not interested in updating their info because what is written now suits them better
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 19:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronjudah wrote:
True. It should also be noted that many RasTafari consider themselves Xians. Consdier Mr. Cowan. His son is a preacher and he sights no conflict between his RasTa ideology and church attendance.


Yes. There are many different kinds of Rastas and Christians. It would be nice if there were more representation in the FAQ.

On the other hand, I don't think the FAQ holds any authority here except as an explanation of what Mohr himself believes. We forum participants --whether Rasta, Christian, or other-- are free to believe he is wrong about several things, especially regarding our own beliefs.

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If that is your "only" conclusion, I think you may be deluding yourself, brother. All those images you mention --lions, scepters, mitres, magens, and even the colors of Ethiopia-- were Christian symbols before they were Rastafarian, and a number of them were Jewish even before they were adopted by Christians. Rastas adopted those symbols from Christianity, not the other way around.


The key is, "in a reggae context." When I see these symbols in a reggae context, it is definitely RasTafari symbology.


I still disagree. These were already Christian symbols, from long before Ras Tafari Makonnen was even born, and he recognized them as such. If Christians want to use them in conjunction with reggae or otherwise, that is their perogative. I am not denying that Rastas can use them, both in- and outside a reggae context. Certainly they may. It's just not legit to assume they somehow "belong to" Rastas exclusively, in any context.

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Ras Tafari is like, "Head Creator" in Amharic.


In Amharic, Ras Tafari means "Prince/Duke To-Be-Feared."
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 19:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Arronjudah,

Am I wrong in thinking that you are recent convert to Twelve Tribes? You have come a long ways in your thinking in a short time too, is that not true?


I just joined in April '04. I don't think that I understand the question. Anyway, one thing that I learned from studying RasTafari is that it is complex. Even w/in TTOI there are different viewpoints. Some are Orthodox Xians, some are more aligned with Hebrew Israelite/Israelite ideology (like myself), some belief HIM to be Xrist in his 2nd advent. RasTafari is diverse. Some of the information in the FAQ section lends itself to conflict due to its rigid description of RasTafari.

The only thing in RasTafari that I would consider to be a common bond is the symbology that I mentioned elsewhere in this thread along with a certain Afikan consciousness. The general RasTa body understands the symbols. To see them in a Christafari context in conjunction with the name is initially confusing.

It is evident to me that Mr. Mohr has evolved tremendously in his thinking and belief system. A simple statement of clarity, "I was greatly influenced by RasTa imagery as a young person and still find them to be very inspirational, yet I profess a fundamentalist Xian faith," would go a long way in eliminating some of these discussions.

I don't have anything personal against him, but it does seem odd to allow certain arguments to rage and not step in with some clarity. Will it change the world? No. Would it open the doors to greater dialogue? Probably.

Like, I said originally, he is free to do as he wishes. Yet, some of the foolishness on this board (that has rendered it ineffective) could be curtailed with a few personal statements.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 19:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Amharic, Ras Tafari means "Prince/Duke To-Be-Feared."


I believe that a very literal X-lation is, "Head Creator." This definition can be garnered from Christafari.com as well as Christafari information that is posted here.

http://www.vitanovis.com/English/experience/christafari.html

I only studied Amharic briefly and am no expert, however, I am positive about this, "Head Creator" definition. Mr. Mohr even agrees to such.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 19:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I used to be a Rasta. I love Rastas and pray for them often.


This quote is made by Mark Mohr on the page that is linked above. It is found in the last paragraph of the page. This is why I feel that his input is so very vital to this forum.

http://www.vitanovis.com/English/experience/christafari.html

An individual who professes to have followed a RasTa way will invariably have something of value to add to a Xian/Rastafari dialogue. This is why I believe that his statements could clear up a lot of these issues.

On an interesting sidenote:

Reading the information found at this link sounds like a lot of 12 Tribes RasTafari. The differences between M. Mohr's statements and a lot 12 Tribes members is minimal to none. I would be less shocked if Mr. Mohr said that he was a TTOI member than by seeing his appearance and symbology and watching him distance himself from RasTafari ideology.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 20:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronjudah wrote:
Mr. Mohr even agrees to such.


I think he's just following Rasta conventions on this point. I do not believe Mohr actually knows much (if any) Amharic.
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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2004 20:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronjudah wrote:
I only studied Amharic briefly and am no expert, however, I am positive about this, "Head Creator" definition.


Despite Rasta convictions, all my Amharic resources say Tafari/Teferi means "one who is ferocious, one who is feared by his rivals," or some variation on that theme (e.g. "one who inspires awe"). I suppose I could take a survey of my Ethiopian friends who speak Amharic.
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2004 11:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been around here so much recently as I get tired of a lot of unfruitful words flying back and forth.

On this subject, though, I have to agree with Jetze. Mark and Christafari have a responsibility to present fully-orbed and accurate statements acknowledging the breadth and diversity of rasta. The FAQ do not do this and mislead those without knowledge to adopt an outdated and quite imperfect UNDERstanding of the nature of rasta today.

It is not for Jetze or anyone outside of the site management to come up with "a better version". Mark and Christafari are responsible for that they allow to be projected and taught from their site. Jetze has taken his responsibility in this way in the Dubroom Itations.

If Mark knows and believes the current FAQ to be inaccurate then he should take responsibility for the content of the teaching and amend it. Maybe the website is fairly peripheral to his day to day life these days, but this is no excuse. His works and his words are looked to as being in some way "authoritative and trustworthy" by members of the christian community. To mislead these people is a serious thing when something can easily be done to correct the false images and partial presentations which have been a feature of some aspects of the FAQ for as long as I have been involved here.

Failure to address or even dialogue meaningfully about these matters only reinforces the suspicions of some that there is a lack of integrity in this, and even that Mark dos not really care whetehr his website teaches the truth or not.

Like I say, it is a serious thing.
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PostPosted: 17 Aug 2004 11:18    Post subject: What are we talking about here? Reply with quote

Again, excuse me for my ignorence, but what exactly is wrong and false and untrue in the view of Rastafari of Mark Mohr and Christafari??? Talking Dog, Jetze, anyone???
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