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Christafari is not interested in updating their info because what is written now suits them better
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 14:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.lionofzion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=734

This is a link to an old post that I've found. I don't know how clarity it brings to the subject, but it does show that perhaps 2 things are true.

1. Mr. Mohr has more complex approach to the Rastafari question than the FAQ will permit discussion.
2. Personal contact is the best avenue.

However, if the FAQ does not fully express his understanding, maybe it should be updated. This would, possibly, eliminate the need for personal contact. Maybe very few people contact him directly, though. Perhaps this is not a pressing issue amongst other issues that people are concerned about.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't we wait a while here and be patient. Aaronjudah has already said he sent a letter to Mark Mohr with concerns and questions about the subject at hand. As Mark and the band are quite busy touring, I'm sure he doesn't get to check and respond to his e-mail frequently. I don't know if anyone else has e-mailed Mark directly on this (Jetze perhaps?), but I would think these issues would be addressed when he is able to. Knowing the seriousness of the commitment Mark has made to share the good news of Yeshua through reggae music, I think these issues would be very important to him.

Jetze, one thing I wonder is if you had the opportunity to speak directly with Mark at Greenbelt regarding these concerns. And look- I also agree that developing and promoting a better understanding of Rasta is of great importance, but let's be patient and see if it is addressed now that the issue has been brought to light and communicated to Mark directly.

I'd like to see a greater sense of unity here rather than the adversarial condition that seems to exist at times. As followers of Christ, our ultimate objectives should be the same though our approaches maybe quite different. Why not extend a little more grace when dealing with one another?

Aaronjudah, if I am not mistaken Jetze may have the tract in question on his website but I'm sure he'll clarify. I'd like to get a copy of it also. Perhaps this is where the info in the FAQ's section was derived from.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 14:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.lionofzion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=553

If anyone has access to this info, this is the pamphlet/tract/booklet that I am interested in. I see that Jah Pickney has read the information. Could you send me the info, JP?
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 14:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd like to see a greater sense of unity here rather than the adversarial condition that seems to exist at times. As followers of Christ, our ultimate objectives should be the same though our approaches maybe quite different. Why not extend a little more grace when dealing with one another?


That is why I think that the RasTa FAQ information is not effective. How can there be unity when believing RasTafari are perceived as "deceived/deceiving themselves." This is a quote from M. Mohr that I have linked from his Talking Dog response. The FAQ also gives the impression that there are no individuals coming to faith through the study and livity of RasTafari. There is an assumption that Xians must go evangelize all of them. RasTafari is like many other cultures, they come to faith through reasoning. How did T. Cowan come to faith? How did his son become a pastor? YHWH/Jah works in ways that are not fathomable to humanity.

This fact should be acknowledged. However, I tend to lean towards Messian Dreads conclusion. Xianity seems to have a corporate element to it. If you do not conform in certain areas you will be "blackballed." Sometimes, I think that M. Mohr and others might feel pressured to remain "fundamentalist." I could be wrong, though. There are other individuals who remain ambiguous about RasTafari and Xianity. This group, POD, is a good example. I hear rumors of TTOI membership and see HR performing with them, but no official stance is made. I've seen a whole website dedicated to pulling down POD as "anti-Xrist." Whatever that may mean. I am, personally, "anti-Xrist" and "pro-Messiah."

Anyway, if we want to get alongw we should all be allowed into the family. Didn't the Messiah say that he had sheep from another flock, or something to that paraphrased effect. This can be reasoned out to show that there are those who attain salvation faith apart from the standard channels of acceptable Xian spirituality. The FAQ and other aspects of Christafari are frustrating because there is no room made at the table for those who have found the Messiah apart from Xian culture. Just my thoughts.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 15:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If anyone has access to this info, this is the pamphlet/tract/booklet that I am interested in. I see that Jah Pickney has read the information. Could you send me the info, JP?


aaronjudah, I'm not sure how you can get a copy. Mark Mohr gave them to me personally many years ago. They do not cover everything, but are specific to certain topics. One is just about the divinity Selassie. It shows that he is not God through bilibal evidence and by comparing Christ with him. The other is a discussion about Ganja. It disputes through biblical evidence and personal experience the idea of ganja being used as a sacrament.

I know that there are other elements of Rasta too. And that many of you are upset that Mark seems to mainly discusses these elements. But among many Rastas these are main issues and these are things that need to be addressed as they are contrary to the truth of the God's word.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 15:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the book "christ and tafari". The book is very offensive, and goes further then the FAQ. There is a reason why the book Christ and Tafari is not widely available and the contents is a big part of that reason. Buju Banton read that book and it made him angrey and I am sorry to say that I can perfectly overstand why he became angry. I do not agree with his agressiveness but the words in that book also radiated an hostility that was as heavy as the knive.

I did understand that Mark Mohr wanted to "update" that book because of the contents.

I have waited for seven years, Mike Roots, the patience I think I have had it long enough. No Mark and I have not had the time to in-depth go into this when we met. He was in my country but we didn't meet either.

The only way I see that we can discuss this in in a setting with an audience. But I think he's too chicken to debate me in public concerning this.

No, I've had it with trying to discuss this in this forum. I've written an essay on Christafari a few years ago, which has circulated in private circles by request of Mark Mohr. The argument was also patience to wait for the update. YEARS AGO!

For those who are asking me all kind of questions, they will be answered in my article. It can take some time but I will go through with it.

The fact that "there is no shift" means that everything that LOZ wrote, including the Christ and Tafari book is still to be seen as the contemporary stance. In any way it is not changed and it is still causing bad fruits.

The only thing I can do now, in order to get something going, is to post an article on my website. And I am very sure it will be read with great interest by many people in the Rastafarian and Christian communities.

I'm not leaving here, well that is until they kick me out because of my "rebellion" or whatever the name of the game is, but I'm not going to try to get the discussion going here.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 15:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have the book "christ and tafari". The book is very offensive, and goes further then the FAQ. There is a reason why the book Christ and Tafari is not widely available and the contents is a big part of that reason. Buju Banton read that book and it made him angrey and I am sorry to say that I can perfectly overstand why he became angry. I do not agree with his agressiveness but the words in that book also radiated an hostility that was as heavy as the knive.

I did understand that Mark Mohr wanted to "update" that book because of the contents.

I have waited for seven years, Mike Roots, the patience I think I have had it long enough. No Mark and I have not had the time to in-depth go into this when we met. He was in my country but we didn't meet either.

The only way I see that we can discuss this in in a setting with an audience. But I think he's too chicken to debate me in public concerning this.

No, I've had it with trying to discuss this in this forum. I've written an essay on Christafari a few years ago, which has not been published by request of Mark Mohr. The argument was also patience to wait for the update. YEARS AGO!

For those who are asking me all kind of questions, they will be answered in my article. It can take some time but I will go through with it.

The fact that "there is no shift" means that everything that LOZ wrote, including the Christ and Tafari book is still to be seen as the contemporary stance. In any way it is not changed and it is still causing bad fruits.

The only thing I can do now, in order to get something going, is to post an article on my website. And I am very sure it will be read with great interest by many people in the Rastafarian and Christian communities.

I'm not leaving here, well that is until they kick me out because of my "rebellion" or whatever the name of the game is, but I'm not going to try to get the discussion going here.

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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 15:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression that this info was distributed to the public. It seems peculiar to withold info that could give us some idea of M. Mohr's ideology concerning RasTafari.

The thought of this information only being available to a small circle is rather strange, in my opinion. Bring the truth to light and allow all of us to discuss and reason about it.
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