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Christafari is not interested in updating their info because what is written now suits them better
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 16:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to say the FAQ is supposed to be the standard Christafari conviction concerning RasTafari and the associated topics. This is the email response that I have thus far rec'd from my query. It explicitly states that the FAQ can answer most questions. I assume, from this info, that the FAQ is the official stance. I have posted the entire email for the sake of integrity. Please forgive the formatting.

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From : Christafari / Lion of Zion <mark@lionofzion.com>
Sent : Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:31 PM
To : <aaronjudah@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Rastafari tract

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Thank you for your message. We try to reply to as many messages as possible, butgiven the large influx of regular e-mails, we can't promise a personal responseto every single one.If you are seriously interested in booking Christafari or any other group with Lion of Zion Entertainment, please contact our booking office at (310) 539-2539. Besides this, almost any question that you can ask has already beenanswered at the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) pages at http://www.lionofzion.com/ and http://www.christafari.com/ You may also consider visiting the forum at: http://www.lionofzion.com/forums and posting your question, comment, or encouraging words.Blessings in Christ,Christafari/Lion of Zionwww.christafari.comwww.lionofzion.com----------------------------------------------------------------"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs withgratitude in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed,do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father throughHim." (Col 3:16-17)Received: (fqmail 10219 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 12:31:29 -0000Received: from mx02.futurequest.net (mx02.futurequest.net [69.5.6.172]) by pt02.futurequest.net ([69.5.6.173]) with FQDP via TCP; 19 Aug 2004 12:31:29 -0000Received: (qmail 10457 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2004 12:31:29 -0000Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f27.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.27]) by mx02.futurequest.net ([69.5.6.172]) with ESMTP via TCP; 19 Aug 2004 12:31:29 -0000Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:31:28 -0700Received: from 63.167.114.204 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:31:27 GMTX-Originating-IP: [63.167.114.204]X-Originating-Email: [aaronjudah@hotmail.com]X-Sender: aaronjudah@hotmail.comFrom: "Aaron Judah" <aaronjudah@hotmail.com>To: Mark@lionofzion.comBcc: Subject: Rastafari tractDate: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:31:27 +0000Mime-Version: 1.0Content-Type: text/htmlMessage-ID: <BAY12-F27e6n0ssrAX0000b6ff1@hotmail.com>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2004 12:31:28.0761 (UTC)FILETIME=[735D2E90:01C485E8]I recall that you, at one time, were circulating a Rastafari tract. Is it possible that I could receive a copy of this. If it is necessary for me to pay for it, let me know. I await your response. After the tour, naturally. Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!


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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 17:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hee Jetze, just a few days ago you were trying to get the humour going, because things were so serious (propa-ganja, remember).

Now the humour is totally gone, even to the point where you make statements like "But I think he's too chicken to debate me in public concerning this."

Is this way of talking the mind of Yesous, or is this the mind of Geezus? When you talk like this, I wonder if your motives are still pure and if Jah is still pleased. I'm not saying he is not pleased, bu He could be displeased, though.

On your website you make it appear that you are a humble man, that humbly presents his thoughts about rasta and christianity. Where did the humbleness go?

Are you still on a mission for Jah, or are you so caught up with your mission for truth, that you are starting to battle in a carnal way, in the flesh so to speak?
I know you know a lot on this subject, but when you're going to battle for truth, and do this without love, you'll only be like a ringing cimbal.

I overstand your frustration, but I think your anger is a bit out of control. So to bring back the humour a bit: you have waited for 7 years; but Jacob waited two times seven years. So let's lighten up a bit.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 17:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Aaron this shows that there is no need to wait for an update because it will not come.

Irie what you are trying is absurd. Do you not see how many words are written, only to be retracted with the words "there is no shift"? I have been waiting for years before publishing an in-depth article because I was promised "updates" and I was described "Mark's progression". I've had enough from this jojo-ing, it's traumatizing to allways be promised releief only to never get it.

Because "there is no shift".

Everyhing written in the FAQ is still to be considered the official doctrines of Christafarianism in spite of promises of updates. The letter to Aaron and Blaminak's final remarks show this clearly. There's ain't gonna come no change, i may be waiting until i die. And I am not going to be fooled into that. You say wait 2 more years, you would tell me in two years that i will have to wait another nine, and you would have to say so because nothing will change. And if nothing is going to change, then I see no need to postpone my publication because I postponed it because of the promised updates.

Humbleness has nothing to do with this. Do I have to show you the agressive letters I receive(d) in which some people like to quote Mark Mohr's remarks to me in order to proof their case that I am a false teacher only because I'm not into Christafarianism?

Do I have to sit and hold my breath while the Name of my Saviour is being used for things that the Name should not be used for?

Do I have to sit and wait while my brothers in Rastafari are being discredited and painted like idol worshippers by people who do not even know the difference between geezus and Yesus?

Do I have to sit and wait for some things that I know will never come only to not disturb the tranquility of the souls of those people who prefer to stay in their matrix?

I Say NO.

There is a difference between humbleness and cowardness. And I see a lot of corwardness labeled as humbleness.

Was Yesus humble when He throw the dung out of the temple?

Yes He Was. He Was Humble To His Heavenly Father Whom He Choosed To Please Rather Then The Religious Contemporary System Workers.

And as far as I'm concerned, this is all a very serious issue. This whole FAQ thing. Most here do not overstand what's going on, they seem to think that this is a neutral discussion subject. But it is not.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just trying to pull togehter all of the threads that show that there is little done to clarify/update the RasTafari information on this site. The same concerns have been voiced by ZionSlave (and others) at this particular thread.

http://www.lionofzion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1742&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=8
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaronjudah wrote:
How can there be unity when believing RasTafari are perceived as "deceived/deceiving themselves." This is a quote from M. Mohr that I have linked from his Talking Dog response.


Mohr's actual words were "I feel that a true believer in one way or another that calls himself a Rastafarian is either deceived or deceiving." Reading this in context, "true believer" means "Christian" to Mohr (and perhaps something even more specific, a particular kind of Christian).

So he's not saying Rastas are deceived or deceiving (though he may think or say that elsewhere), he's saying Christians who call themselves Rastas are deceiving themselves in one way or another.

I am not saying that I agree with Mohr, only that we should fairly represent what he means.

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Xianity seems to have a corporate element to it. If you do not conform in certain areas you will be "blackballed." Sometimes, I think that M. Mohr and others might feel pressured to remain "fundamentalist."


This depends a lot on which Christians you associate with. There are many groups which emphasize conformity in matters that I would consider extremely superficial and totally unnecessary. This is one of the reasons I'm so leery of Evangelical Protestantism (especially the types who claim to be "non-denominational" --they tend to be more sectarian and conformist than the mainline denominations).

But not all Christian groups are like this --not even remotely! One of the reasons I love the Christian churches with ancient roots (Eastern Orthodox, Catholics, etc.) is that they try to inculturate the Gospel when they take it to different lands, and as a result, there is a lot of variety (linguistic, cultural, artistic, social, devotional, legal, etc.) in their churches. Their stance seems to be "if we agree about essential things like doctrines and morality, we can and should be as different as we please about non-essentials" or the motto "in esentials unity, in non-essentials diversity, in all things charity." I am definitely not saying they always accomplish this perfectly, but they certainly strive for it more than others seem to do.

I once met a woman named Kristine Franklin, a Protestant who became Catholic, who was particularly concerned with the problem of Evangelical homogeneity and "religious colonialism." In an article about her missionary experiences in Latin America called "How I Solved the Catholic Problem," she wrote: "Evangelicals were (and are) importing wholesale a specifically American brand of piety, imposing the forms and symbols and jargon of 'American Christianity' on the people in other countries. This religious colonialism bothered me a lot."

It bothers me too.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian, I understand what you are saying about Jesus in the temple. But Jesus didn't call other people 'chickens'. And there are other examples about Jesus, where he takes the injustice that's beeing done, without fighting it.
I just know out of my own experience that when people 'go' for truth, that's all that matters at a certain point. And then there is the danger that people are starting to sound as ringing cimbals.
But if you feel you have to do this; I'm not going to stop you. I just hope that Jah will be pleased with it, and that you won't hurt other peoples feelings, even when your feelings have been hurt. One love.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another thread that shows the varying understanding of RasTafari. The more that I consider this topic, the more intrigue I become. With so much information being exchanged (granted you have to wade through a lot of nonsense), I am surprised that no admin or M. Mohr has stepped in and given there input. Some what I have read of other threads, it has quelled some controversy in the past. Buju, for instance.

http://www.lionofzion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1769&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna say again what I said before in different ways.

The FAQ doesn't represent our beliefs (whether we are Rasta or Christian), it represents Mohr's beliefs. And we all know that just by looking at the FAQ.

I know Mohr could never say enough to please everyone all the time, and none of us could, but I still wish Mohr would update the FAQ and make it more accurate. I hope that those who are especially offended by the FAQ are communicating with him directly.

Still, whether he updates or not, we already know that it represents his beliefs rather than ours. And no one is forcing us to agree with Mohr.

So we could just ignore the FAQ and talk about what we actually think, rather than what Mohr believes.
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