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When Will The Christafari FAQ Be Updated With Propper Info?
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Christafari is not interested in updating their info because what is written now suits them better
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How can there be unity when believing RasTafari are perceived as "deceived/deceiving themselves." This is a quote from M. Mohr that I have linked from his Talking Dog response.


Mohr's actual words were "I feel that a true believer in one way or another that calls himself a Rastafarian is either deceived or deceiving." Reading this in context, "true believer" means "Christian" to Mohr (and perhaps something even more specific, a particular kind of Christian).

So he's not saying Rastas are deceived or deceiving (though he may think or say that elsewhere), he's saying Christians who call themselves Rastas are deceiving themselves in one way or another.


A person who believes in salvation through the Messiah (i.e. a believer) and confesses to be a RasTa is deceived/deceiving. It gets no simpler than that. The comment that you made concerning his quote is the same as what I am implying. He (at the time of this writing) perceived anyone who said that they followed RasTafari and believed in a Xian belief system (I assume Xian belief to mean biblical faith) is confused or confusing others. I don't see the misunderstanding in this statement.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 19:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can some one please show where any promises of change to the FAQ were made?
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 20:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonaGus wrote:
So we could just ignore the FAQ and talk about what we actually think, rather than what Mohr believes.


Could you please take a look at the title of this topic?

Irie wrote:
But Jesus didn't call other people 'chickens'.


It's an english word for being afraid, it is not an insultive word. Paulus called Peter a hypocrite in public, but I am not going to defend myself for writing an article about something which I strongly disagree with.

Blaminack you will get the answer in my article.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 21:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian, it's not about words (chickens). It's that I sense some agression in your last posts. It's the way you say things, that makes me think your anger gets to you too much.
I also noticed that sometimes you try to shut someone up, by suggesting that other people are just trying to be political correct. Though sometimes this may be the case, I have the impression that you use this argument whenever it suites you, even when it doesn't make any sense in the context. Not everybody that disagrees with you is trying to be political correct, or is a wannabee or..... Seen?

But anyway, I sure wanna read the article that you are going to write.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 21:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can some one please show where any promises of change to the FAQ were made?


M. Dread says that promises were made. I don't have any knowledge of this. However, when I really begin to think about and study the situation, I do see why the FAQ's should be changed. The FAQ's as well as a greater clarification of M. Mohr's RasTafari testimony.

1. It is stated by M. Mohr that it is impossible to consider oneself to be RasTa and be 'saved.' I think that is why the facts are absent of the books that I've mentioned elsewhere as well as the consider of the TTOI stance presented by Prophet Gad. In Mohr's mind (at the time of his writing) it is not conceivable that a RasTa can be a Xian (believer) and vice versa. This utterly eliminates the work of the Spirit. If Messiah is the way, truth and life; why does it matter if you discover and follow him through the culture/symbolism of RasTafari? It also seems contradictory, as stated before, that M. Mohr would use so much RasTa symbology while denying the move of Spirit upon the consciousness/conscience of many in the RasTafari movement.
2. By explaining how to 'witness' to RasTafari, it is implied that they are (generally) a people without a revelation of the power of the Messiah, YHWH/Jah, etc. There is too much information out there that proves that other Xians see the value and power of RasTafari as a purging agent that can move a people group towards a more true and accurate Afrikan/biblical consciousness. Without any mention of any of these scholarly Xian works as even a reference in the FAQ's is proof, in my opinion that there is gap in LOZ's understanding. Dread Jesus is an excellent Xian work that is never referenced on this site. I find that to be shameful when one considers that there is a Rasta/Ganja reasoning area on the site. How can a Xian, interested in bringing understanding and faith to RasTafari (and understanding the faith of RasTafari) ignore this seminal work? It is shameful.
3. In some of the links that I have posted here, M. Mohr claims to speak from a RasTa perspective. He was once a Rastafarian. When I do the math, I see that he did not adhere to the RasTafari livity for more than 2 years at the most and this time period was from the age of 15 to 17. I, personally, would like to hear more of his testimony from this time period. He claims to have been smoking crack and living like a hellian during this time. That is far removed from a lot of RasTafari that I am familiar with. To present himself as a former Rastafari and have no adult experience as such does little to validate his authoritative stance on certain matters of RasTafari.

He can do as he wishes, however, as I look at the matter in greater detail, I began to understand the situation differently. Are we brothers in the faith? Yes. Does he and others who gather their info from the site and/or share his views believe this to be true in a very real sense? I don't know. I'm awaiting the response.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 22:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messian Dread wrote:
JonaGus wrote:
So we could just ignore the FAQ and talk about what we actually think, rather than what Mohr believes.


Could you please take a look at the title of this topic?


I know what the topic is. I think most people here, including myself, would like for the FAQ to be updated. I am glad that people have decided to contact Mohr directly about it. (I personally doubt he even reads this section of the forum much.) But even if it is never updated, the FAQ won't be the end of the world, and we won't be forced to agree with it.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 23:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to be totally honest I too would like to see it updated, to reflect Mark's CURRENT thinking, but alot of the problem here is the idea that the FAQ reflects every ones view here. My views diverge in some places. The FAQ is Mark's answers.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2004 23:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack wrote:
but alot of the problem here is the idea that the FAQ reflects every ones view here. My views diverge in some places. The FAQ is Mark's answers.


Exactly. My beliefs are not Mohr's, and I don't assume that anyone else holds the same beliefs as Mohr unless they say so. The FAQ doesn't represent us, whether Rasta or Christian, just Mohr. (And even he may have different beliefs these days.)
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