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ZIONSLAVE
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PostPosted: 28 Nov 2003 22:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually you may have read more about the shroud than I have. I have read arguements on both sides. I understand as an artist you would have an intrest in this object. Lately the new craze is this Jesus box. These things are nice to think about but the fact is they will never be proven to be true. If the Lord wanted us to have physical proof beyond reasonable doubt of his life, death ,and resurrection he would have said in his word "Here is proof and where to find it." Another thing we must always be on gaurd for are people who state things as fact when they are not. Just like your parents tell you when you are young " Dont believe everything you see or read". This scientific "proof" of anything is close to meaningless to me. I also kind of disagree w/ your Michaelangelo Davinci statement. Im not really super impressed with the thing honestly. If its real, great! If not, oh well. The Lord God will seperate the wheat from the tares and all that is not righteous will be completely annihilated.
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PostPosted: 29 Nov 2003 09:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does say that the cloth was found in the bible.So I think it is a big possibility that it is really that one.

It is very interesting and facinating,not as a PROOF to believe,we don't need that kind of proofs to believe in Jesus resurrection.Rather it is interesting and fascinating anyway.

There are many things as that.The cross of Jesus that has been found,is the same thing.

Then we have things of mystery,like the holy light that comes out of the place where Jesus was buried every easter on the resurrection day.That flame comes out of the cave by itself and does not burn you,I have felt it myself.

Bread that they give on holy communion here in Greece is also a mysetry.
It does not get mouldy.Everything here does becuse of the dampness does,but this NOT.I saved some for one year !!!And they do not put anything in it to not get mouldy.(They give bread here,not sacramental wafer)

Many,many small reminders that everything our Lord touches .....

Anyway,seems like i got totally off the theme here.Sorry,blessings
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PostPosted: 29 Nov 2003 15:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back weh with that cloth. Incredible, all these folks cursing any "image" but no one recognizes an idol thing of Yesus when it's before them, in this case the shroud of Turin (and not of Christ). But that's not the issue...

Post after post after post, one politically ccorrect answer after another one and no one gets the idea.

Everyone: "I don't care what colour He has"

How political correct.

How ignorant, too.

The whiteness of Geezus is WILLINGLY used to DOWNPRESS Black People. Now everyone here can feel so right when they write they don't care about any colour, from their luxurous position that is easy to say.

But what if you are a black man in slavery and your withe enslaver tells you about this white god in the sky who created you to serve him, the white man? What would you think about this Geezus? And what use would all these politically correct answers have to you?

Let's spell it out: "black" and "white" in Rastafari represent Zion and Babylon. It is the result of babylon portraying a white geezus, emphasizing the whiteness of this Geezus as reason for his "blessings" of babylon. So tell babylon you don't care what colour the Divine Saviour is, but don't tell Rasta Yesus is not black but whatever because a Rasta will hear that like a denial of the Head Creator Himself.
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PostPosted: 29 Nov 2003 22:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off it is not a fact that Jesus was black. So for you to claim he was as a fact is wrong. The truth is Rastafarianism is not where the buck stops. There are many wonderful things about the ideology and sepratism of the Rasta culture. However, the feelings of a person white or black will be hurt when the truth of YHWY is revealed. It is a complete disaster so many black people have been mistreated and used by a white culture. Unfortunately, the blacks are not the only ones who are victims of racisim and the slavery and murder that it brings. I praise the Lord God for his servants who are willing to take a stand against racism. I also praise him for those who recognize truth form theory. It is wrong to keep digging up the past and using it as an excuse to sin.Black people are a beautiful creation they have overcome much. But there is neither Jew or Greek and there is no male or female in the eyes of God. What happened in America years ago is still felt today. What happened in the holocost will not be forgotten. However, just because a slave owner sinned in keeping a slave, that does not give you the right to say he was not a Christian. You are overstepping your bounds and boardering on blasphemy when you type out the word "Geesus" like you are some kind of a judge of the intentions of ones heart. Who do you think you are to say that anyones faith is worthless? Black and Dark symbolize sin in the Bible. Light symbolizes Godliness. So this makes the rastas ideas of black and white secondary. But, to use that as some kind of point on the matter of race is wrong because all are equal in Yesus eyes. This is a warning. Be careful what you preach as truth. There is a way that seemeth right to a man but the end is death. So, in conclusion the Lord could have come to earth as black as tar or as white as a cueball and He would still be God. So if it makes you feel better to think Jesus was black then thats fine. But once again I do not care (politically incorrect or not) if He was a dull shade of blue I would still worship him as the ALPHA and OMEGA.

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PostPosted: 29 Nov 2003 22:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jah servant was absolutely right saying in the beginning of this thread that only God will know who will be called a child of His.

I do understand where Messian dread is coming from,it is true that it is a huge problem,but the root of it all is SIN.
Sin of white men using our Lord Jesus in suppressing people.Well,don't you think everyone that do/did so will pay for that on judgement day?
I know it is easy for everybody sitting in our "luxoury position" saying what can be done?You are right on that one too,MD,but i am going to say something here that i might get bashed for...

Don't you guys think that Jesus is able to show and proove himself true for anyone asking Him to show them who he really is??White,black,red or whatever racial names we want to put....
Isn't it a sin to go around and be totally poisened by bitterness for racial crimes as well going around being bitter for ANYTHIHG??
Isn't it a sin to put Jesus in abox,from whatever ankle it may be?
There has been very much judging in this thread.
Where is the love??
Our saviour is a personal saviour.For anyone who asks him in his heart,He will come.
Does it exist one single soul on this earth that has asked God-even if he did not know WHO God was-to show him THE TRUTH about HIM,that has not been heard???NO!!!!(Anyone asking for God surely believes there is a rightious God,no matter how he will be presented to us,it is carved in to our unconscious that God is rigthous...by His own hand in our hearts)
But he can not reveal himself against somebodys will.If anger,bitterness,stubbourness,ego,pride or you name it, flurish in ones heart in the search for God,he will lose the way.Wherever we come from the northpole,Jamaica or Calcutta doesn't matter.The whole thing that seems to matter in this discussion is that since Jesus was presented white and used to suppress human beings of other colour,nothing but a black Jesus can be accepted by black people and the "white one is a false God?"Are you brothers listening to yourselves???With our mind and undestanding it may seem as the only way,but this is really heavy and i just think that Jesus has his own way of being able to all who seeks HIM,the son of man.


I have really tried to follow you guys in this discussion.I have been sitting for hours and hours reading all posts on this thread again and again.
I may be totally IQfree,but i don't get it.
The only thing i can say that i have became upset.

Can Talking dog,jah servant,messian dread and coolpoet give me a small summary of all this???

Last some questions:
1.How do you think God wants us to react and go ahead with this ?
Continue the crime of putting Jesus in a colour box,continuing feeding all this bad feelings into people?
2.Can someone understand why i protest against politicalize Jesus?It was the root of racism to politicalize him as white.Do you think we have to go a second round politicalize him as black?
4.What good will come out of it and what bad??

I feel very upset,sorry guys,love ye all anyway.


By the way,as you all probably know,the christ-christos-in greek means the anointed and christian-christiani-in greek means someone who is living or abiding in the anointed.
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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2003 00:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIGHT ON SIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2003 00:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2003 01:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Woe Yucka Yoi, I left the discussion a couple pages back, I had nothing more to say. But I've been following it. I think this is important to be aware of when dealing with Rastas in particular, and is educational for everybody who's read this thread. Is the color of Christ truly important? Not to most of us who know Him. But to those who have been turned away because of the image that was pushed and the things that were done in His name it is important. So if it's keeping people away from the truth then it's good for us to know about it, right? It's the plan of the enemy, you know, but this steals the seeds before they are even sown. Because the image and the name and the things that were done is all put together in one lump, so they say, "I don't want a god that condones or commands his people to do these things". This is why, I think, Messian Dread calls him a false god, because our God is not like this, so they weren't really following Christ (you can correct me on this MD if necessary). So when we say Jesus this is where their mind goes, not to our Jesus but to the misrepresentation of Him by people in the past. But we must realize that millions of people of African descent all over the world have come to know Christ, so this isn't always an issue, but it's very strong with the Rastas, and maybe some other groups as well. I don't think there is any need for you to get too upset.
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