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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2003 06:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok...I know I may be called a racsist...But I don't care because I know I'm not.

You miss my point...So I will explain and leave it as is...Adam and Eve were of the adamic race...The word Adam means mankind and for blood to show through the face as in to blush...Documenting that it has nothing to do with ones melanin...It is the appearance of blood in the face....Now I am not being rascist...It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out....This is what the Hebrew language says and you guys act like you can't even see it there in your concordance...Adam's anatomy is referred to...It is his face showing blood...The word for ruddy is even adam.....There is also a part in the Bible that talks about being white and ruddy....If this is bothering some people...Don't let it!...Because it is from the Hebrew language...You can check it out for yourself.


I was also talking about Eve being the womb that Christ would would come through over time....And satan tried many times to disrupt those bloodlines...And God stopped satan from doing so....Yes bloodlines and heritage are important to you....They are important to God!.....Some may say that I am still rascist with this too....But hey!....Part of God stopping satan from disrupting those bloodlines was when he drove out Cain...And Cain was Abel's brother....So please do not tell me I am rascist in saying that God does pay attention to bloodlines.....Those bloodlines were not disrupted....All the way from Adam to Jesus.

That is my point....I know that some will call me rascist trying to bring down the black man...But it is NOT even about that!
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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2003 21:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

i never said you were rascist and neither did MD on that other thread.


and ruddy also means red or reddish not just meaning a healthy reddish glow in the cheeks, so you really dont know exactly what part of adam was red.

i think that Jah wanted Ruth(an edomite) and Rehab(a canaanite) in the bloodline of Jesus. i dont think those instances were satan trying to disrupt the bloodline
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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2003 06:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ras B-You have got to learn how to take the Hebrew word to it's prime....I can tell that you don't know how because you say noone knows what it is exactly talking about....YES we do!!.....Take it to the prime.

MD may not have came out and said straightforward that I am a rascist....But that is what he was implying....He was talking about people who believe in a white Jesus are trying to bring down the black man....Now what does that say to you?.......He was calling me rascist!....I certainly hope that you don't think I am rascist I am not.....The black man has helped me out VERY much in my life....It was a black man who did the plastic surgery on my burn scars....And he was the absolute best in the state!....Dr.Boykin(God bless him!!)...Alot of the nurses who helped take care of me were black women....I have nothing against the black man.
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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2003 15:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even taking the word to the Hebrew prime it is still not in anyway conclusive that it means that Adam and Eve were white. "Ruddy" is one meaning - but you still can't jump from this to saying this categorically demonstrates them being white.

I am not in in any way accusing you of racism CF, but it is worth noting that a great many extremely racist, white supremacist theologies are based exactly upon the same thinking you are applying here about the meaning of "Adam".

As I have said already, I see that the lingusitic and semantic linkages of "Adam" with earth/clay are much more significant in the context.
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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2003 18:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am not sure what phrase "take it to the prime" means but when i look as deeply into the hebrew word "Adam" as is possible this is the meaning i get from the hebrew roots of Adam;


1) to be red, red


a) (Qal) ruddy (of Nazarites)


b) (Pual)

1) to be rubbed red

2) dyed red

3) reddened


c) (Hiphil)

1) to cause to show red

2) to glare

3) to emit (show) redness


d) (Hithpael)

1) to redden

2) to grow red

3) to look red


so i can not see how you can know what part of him was red.
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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2003 06:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ras B-All I can say to you is look deeper...It is there...Why do you act like you do not see it?...It says to show blood in the FACE...I will give you exact number referance for that meaning but I want you to find it first...It is there!

Talking Dog-The very Hebrew word for ruddy is "Adam"...Also look at the references in Song of Solomon...It talks about "White and ruddy"...And if you read further..It talks about the persons belly being like ivory...Now what color is ivory?

No..Racist theologans do not teach this way...I am familiar with the way that racists do try to defend their belief...And the way that they try to defend it is very wrong...They do twist the scriptures....But what I am talking about is not the racist way of thinking...I have heard many racist ways of thinking why they think White is the supreme race...And none of them are saying the same thing as I am saying....(I am NOT saying that white is the supreme race...Let's get that straight coming out the gates!)...These are two totally different things...Their way of thinking is corrupt right from the get go!...They do use scripture to try and defend what they believe...But their views on those scriptures are so far out in left field anyone can tell that it is all unbiblical...They do not go to the original language...They only argue out of hatred...My views are not based on hatred or racism at all...It is based on checking out the Hebrew
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I do not think that white is a supreme race...There is no such thing as a supreme race!...We are all of the HUMAN race!
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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2003 09:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ras B-Ok...I was thinking..And I have to ask you if you are using a Strong's concordance...If not,Then you might not see it...But if so,it is there.

The phrase "Take it to the prime" means exactly that...FOR EXAMPLE:sometimes when you look up a word you might see it say something like from # 114...Or something like that...And what you have to do is look at the word that that number references...Sometimes you will have 5 or 6 different words that say from # 114...And you have to trace it all the way back to prime word.

OK That was only an example...Perhaps a poorly explained one...But now for the real thing

# 119 HEBREW...ADAM...To show blood (in the face),i.e. flush or turn rosy:-be (dyed,made) red(ruddy)

That is the prime word

But the numbers 120...121...122...123...124...125...126...127...128...129...130...131...132...All of these words reference #119

And when you look at these words you have to trace it all the way back to the prime word.

I said I knew the verse that the racist theologians use for their argument...If this subject is bothering you...Then please do not read any further...But the racists like to twist Hosea 4:2...Where it says blood touches blood...They try to use this to say that God is against interracial relationships...They use that verse to say that we should not mix races...This is sooooo NOT what I believe!!...This verse is talking about murder...And it means bloodshed on top of bloodshed on top of bloodshed...Nowhere in my studies am I taught that racist junk that those people teach!!

I did not point any of this out to upset anyone...I showed it to you to perhaps better equip you if you ever do have a conversation with a racist who believes that junk.
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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2003 10:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats exactly what i did CF, the deffinition i gave above for adam is the deffinition for 119. i got it off of blueletterbible.org which has strongs concordance on it. so i still stand on my previous statements
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