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cross fiyah
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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2004 06:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have the willingness to search it out for yourself.....Then here is a little something for easy access to help you.

http://www.bibleword.org/genesis4.html

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

Now you can sit there and sigh and shrug your shoulders all you want....But it shows your ignorance!.....Check it out for yourself!!.....I am not expecting you to believe me......Because after you check the facts you will see that what I have been saying is the truth!!

ETH-HA-ADam was simply THE MAN.....That God's chosen people and the Messiah would come through!
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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2004 07:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is to be gained in these arguments? This is not glorifying to God. It doesn't show love. It shows one person's determination to be right. So much for the discussion. How about treating each other with more respect. Cross Fiyah...if you want to be heard, you need to listen.
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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2004 07:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen to what?

Listen to lies and nonsense and jibberish?.....No thanks!!

I am very easy with people that are learning just as I am.

But when someone comes along setting themselves up as a speaker or a teacher and they are spreading lies.....That is when I speak out with seriousness and rebuke!!
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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2004 09:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

cross fiyah, you state that the
word used for 'man' in Genesis 1
is ADAM and in Genesis 2 is
ETH-HA-ADAM.
I can't check it 'cause my reference
material is simply a Strong's
Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
But, even if I could I'd still be adhering
to the following...
I am of the belief that there were not
2 seperate creations of 'man' and that
just as the Word uses different names
for God throughout the Old Testament
i.e. ELOHIYM, EL, YeHOVAH...that the
different names for man still refer to the
same fellow i.e. Adam

created in His image...

God is love, <><
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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2004 12:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for sharing!

I realize what you are saying...And that is what I used to believe also...That Adam was the only human on earth.

I am about to sound like a broken record here...But that is okay.

But when you look at the Hebrew manuscripts.....(As I have provided).......When you look at Genesis 1......The word used for man is simply "Adam"........This word has no article......Therefore it means just man or mankind in general...... In Genesis 1 God created male and female at the same time.........And these people were hunters and fisherman.

When you look at the word for man in Genesis 2....It does have an article.....ETH-HA-.......Meaning The man or this very man.......This very man was the man that God's chosen people would come through and also the Messiah......Therefore it becomes emphatic!.......Very emphatic..............The word is spelled differently with the article...........Genesis 1 is spelled without the article or particle.

Therefore these are two different men..........Adam(Mankind)-hunters and fishers...............ETH-HA-ADAM(The very man Adam)-farmer

Brother don't let me overload your donkey!....If this is too much for you come back to it later......If not, get into the Hebrew!......It is awesome.

Here is that site so you can actually see the Hebrew language.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm

pronounced:
Aw-Dawm
Eth-Haw-Awdawm
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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2004 22:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better late then never. Here goes anyways.

I wanted to share something with you guys relating to skin color and races.


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Are there really white people in the world today?


To be technically correct, NO. Most people don't know that all human beings have the same skin color. Let me explain; We all have a pigment called "melanin". If you have a lot of melanin, you can be very dark,even black. Other than albinos, who don't have much pigment, NO ONE is really white. We all have this brownish pigment. And it can be shown from simple genetics that if we started with Adam and Eve as middle-brown (ruddy) that IN JUST ONE GENERATION there could be children who are black or light brown or anything in-between!

Now why do we have some groups of people in our world who are black,dark brown, and other middle-brown and so on! The answer is in Genesis. After the event of thbe Tower of Babel, populations were split into groups, which resulted in certain shades of melanin being concentrated in particular groups. This is what we could call "natural selection" according to the creation model, NOT Darwin's theory.

This is another great example to help us understand that ALL human beings are descendants of the first couple Adam and Eve.

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Are there such things as "black" and "white" skin colors?


Back to skin pigment (melanin). This pigment is produced by cells called melanocytes.

Dr. Anthony du Viver London's College, made this statement :

There are the same number of melanocytes to be found in both Negroid and Caucasion skin.

If this is so, then why is Caucasion skin light and Negroid skin dark?

Well, the only difference is that the tiny pigment packaging units called "melonosomes" are slightly larger and more numerous per cell in dark skinned than light skinned people.

Many people think that skin color is a major difference among humans-but it's not. It's just a variation due to the amount of pigment. This fits the fact that ALL humans are descedants of one man and one woman- Adam and Eve. We're all related-which is why we can preach to ALL people groups in the world-just as the bible tells us to.

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How could black parents have white children?


A family in London, England, will be going to the Guiness book of World Records. And the reason?Well, both parents are of typical African appearence with dark skin ,eyes, and hair. Yet their THREE children have white skin, blonde hair and hazel-green eyes!!!

The reason for this is because each child happened to inherit a gene for a form of albinism from each parent. This resulted in a very low production of the pigment melanin that is found in the skin, hair and eyes.

Because so many people have benn brainwashed in evolutionary ideas, they incorrectly believe there are different races of people in the world. That's why we all need to get back to the correct biblical view of history - ALL humans are of one blood- descended from Adam!

From the book DID ADAM HAVE A BELLY BUTTON? By Ken Ham
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PostPosted: 18 Feb 2004 09:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the big hang up here is wether there are diffierent races or not.
The human race,homo sapiens is one.
But there are homo sapiens with different skincolours and characteristic differences in the skeleton.( for example scull form of eskimoe,asian,african,european)
That DOES NOT mean that there are diffirent races.
We are all the same race.
Understand totally Warrior and Brian.
Less i understand you Cross on this one..Tried to follow your argument from way back on this thread,but i do not understand where you got your interpretation from.
It does not make sense,because then the whole christian way of seeing human being and creation would be incorrect,which would also mean that all christian truth we believe and follow would be incorrect.
Do you understand what i mean Ray?
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PostPosted: 18 Feb 2004 13:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

CF, what do you consider the theological implications of there being "two Adams" (and two races of humanity?) ?

For example, if you are proposing two creations of humanity, the second being the "chosen" for the redemptive line leading to Christ, what is the purpose of the first?

Do you consider that the "hunter/fisher" race exist today?

How does your "two race" theory relate to Christ as the "second Adam"? And to His saving role of the descendents of the First adam? Are your huneter/fisher race excluded from this?

Just wondering...
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