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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2004 01:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

cross fiyah wrote:
Look here guy....You may have studied the Hebrew......But I can tell not enough!

You know that the Massarhetic text leaves absolutely no room at all for interpritation don't you?


I've studied it enough to know how to spell Masoretic, myself.
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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2004 06:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nitpicker!
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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2004 06:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your point?
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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2004 07:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spelled cartiladge wrong the other day....Does that mean I don't know what it is?
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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2004 16:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

cross fiyah wrote:
What's your point?


My point is that you're not adding to your credibility, when you attack someone else for not thoroughly studying the Masoretic text while not even knowing how to spell it yourself. Maybe you're not the expert you seemed to be asserting you were.

In fact, I think you're not, since Genesis clearly do not answer the question where Cain's wife come from, and furthermore the very idea of different "races" was invented by human beings to perpetuate injustice, having no real biological basis.

You know that there's more genetic variation within penguin species than within homo sapiens? Did you know that the mitochondrial DNA of a white Ukrainian could be a 100% match with a black west African and not for a white Norwegian? There's no such thing as "race," except as a false ideology.

I strongly suggest again that everyone here check out the California Newsreel documentary series "Race: the Power of an Illusion" (2003) in the near future:
http://www.newsreel.org/nav/title.asp?tc=CN0149. You won't be sorry.
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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2004 02:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you think Humans and Chimps are very closely related because their DNA is almost 99% the same!

You are BOGUS man!!

Who told you there is no such thing as race??

As far as Cain's wife goes.....All you gotta do is use a little common sense along with the Hebrew language and you will know.

Some say that Cain went back to Adam and Eve to get his wife......Or that his wife was one of Adam and Eve's daughters........THAT IS NONSENSE!!

God drove Cain OUT!!.....Do you know what it means when God drives someone OUT & AWAY!!......It means Cain was NEVER allowed to come back PERIOD!!.......So that little theory about Cain's wife being a daughter of Adam and Eve falls apart!!
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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2004 02:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Cain's wife was a daughter of Adam and Eve.....Then that means Cain was accepted back into the family.

Like I said.....That is NONSENSE.....Why??......Because God drove him OUT!!
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PostPosted: 21 Jul 2004 19:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

cross fiyah wrote:
Who told you there is no such thing as race??


There isn't. No such thing. It's a false ideology invented by humans to perpetuate injustices. Look into it yourself. "[God] hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth." There's only one human race --a single species with less genetic diversity, in fact, than many other species, like fruit flies and penguins.

As for the origin of Cain's wife, Genesis does not answer that question explicitly. But you cannot appeal to false race ideologies (which are, at best, non-biblical) to fill in the gaps in your information. Race ideology isn't "common sense," it's nonsense.

Cross Fiyah, I have to warn you, brother, that your polygenist theology is too close to racist groups like "Christian Identity," many in the KKK, certain Neo-Nazis, etc., for comfort. I am not saying that you actually belong to any of those groups, nor that you want to, nor that you yourself are definitely a racist. (Only you could answer those questions, and I'm not asking you to.) What I am saying is that you are dangerously close to them, and you really need to reconsider your theological sources and perhaps the company you keep. Please be very careful, both for your sake and the sake of others. Please investigate this carefully.

To everyone I recommend a few resources.

The Southern Poverty Law Center keeps track of hate group activity (especially racist groups) throughout the United States. Check out the map at http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp.

Read Jerome Walters' book One Aryan Nation Under God. Walters is a Lutheran pastor in Montana who exposes the false race theology of Identity and other like-mided groups. Here's the book's listing at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0829813632.

Check out the 2003 3-part documentary series "Race: the Power of an Illusion" from California Newsreel: http://www.newsreel.org/nav/title.asp?tc=CN0149. You will definitely not regret it.
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