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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2003 13:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Jesus not tell you to love your enemies? Did Paulus not tell us that our enemies are not of flesh and blood? Did the Divine Saviour not tell us that His Kingdom is NOT of this world? Here is your scripture. I have given scriptural reasons in my previous response.

This whole "what would Jesus do" thing does not apply over everything. You see, we are not Jesus seen. What would Jesus do? He would save them. Can YOU save anyone? Can you sit yourself on the judgement seat as Jesus is entitled to?

Surely you can not compare George Bush and his warmonging tribe of hypocrites who come in the name of the Saviour just like their foreparents came in the same name (SlaveShip Jesus) with the wars described in the Revelation. The man loves to kill, he has signed many death penalty forms while he was the boss of texa$. Please note as well, that he calls this all "crusade". So mind who you support.

Did Jesus say it is okay to fight for money? Did Jesus say it is okay to put a man like sadam hoesein on the throne? Or Osama Bin Laden? No Jesus did not say a thing like that still these things are done by that same system.
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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2003 14:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't know what God has in mind, but to read what He has done in the past should show us His nature. God used Nebuchadnezzar to punish Israel and also to destroy the other nations. God used Cyrus to destroy Babylon. Was God behind 9/11? I believed He allowed that to happen to wake up the Christians and to show the world that He is in control. God's hand can be seen in the low count of passengers in the planes and the low count of death caused by the crashes. What's the wake-up call to the Christians, "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14 We are considered a "Christian" nation, and so far God has blessed this nation. How long will that last?

Will Jesus bomb Iraq? Will He use another nation to cause punishment? I think so. Even if our reason is for material gain or other selfish reasons, God will still use the instrument for His purpose. Iraq is a Godless nation that has inflicted atrocities against his own people. This is also where the city of Babylon is located that Hussein has rebuilt and has compared himself greater than Nebuchadnezzar. Don't you think that God can hear the cries of the inflicted? What can we as Christians do to show the Iraqi people the love of God? If Hussein is allowed to control the Middle East, he will control the world because of the oil resources found there. In the middle of all this is the nation of Israel. Every Arab country's goal is to destroy Israel. God will not allow that to happen.
"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse;" Genesis 12:3 America has been a friend to Israel and we have been blessed by God, but times are changing.
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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2003 16:36    Post subject: re: "Christian Nation"? Reply with quote

How can you apply things to Israel to the u$a? I mean, Jah spoke to Israel, because Israel is HIS NATION. You can not apply that scripture from chronicles to the u$a.

Yes, amerika is considered a "christian nation", but it is not a christian nation. Has "God" blessed that nation? I do not think so. It gained material wealth by using slaves and by stealing land from the indegious. I wouldn't call that blessin, i call that bless sin!

Iraq is most definitely not any more godless than the u$a.

And the people who are so willing to put a bomb on every square centimeter of Iraq should realize, that if saddam has the bombs, he will put them to Israel.
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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2003 16:38    Post subject: The Facts Reply with quote

I think there are many people out there that still don't have the facts... Does anyone want to lay out the main issus for and against war on Iraq?
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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 00:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze,

Brother you know that I have nothing against you but all of this America bashing grows thin. I am sick of hearing how the USA is the root of all evils. The Netherlands are no more righteous. Or France, Luthinuania for that matter. ALL NATIONS HAVE WICKEDNESS IN THEIR HISTORY!!!! Satan is the enemy. Not one country or another. So are you trying to say that the Real Christians of the USA are bound to be burned by their living in so called Babylon?

Which nation has not committed the SAME EXACT SINS AS THE USA?

For example Eygpt... They held the Jews in Bondage for 400 years and now persecute Christians to the max.

Cambodia has killed MILLIONS under the Kmer Rouge.

Leftist Rebels kills thousands all of the of the time.

Islamic Militants take slaves of Christians in Sudan. Kill the Christian Leaders. Burn their homes and Churches all over the rest of the world where they may be found.

Rowanda........ Machetes

Ethoipia and Somolia gangsters starving the common people.

Castro holding his country in bondage.

Russia.... killed Millions in Communism.

Germany killed milliions under Hitler.

China in it's merciless persecutions.

Italy has had Mussilini.

Britan has gathered slaves and their whold countries left and right.

This list is ENDLESS but this is just from the top of my head.

All the while imigrants from all over the world are risking death to get to the USA. Is this because we are evil? NO, it is because where they are now is worse. So unless you have lived here for a while I think that the elitist opinions being spoken against your Christian Brothers is hurtful.

Why is it that protection is now considered war mongering?
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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 01:39    Post subject: America's problem Reply with quote

I was responding to some thing written don't you see that?

This is one of U$A's problem: she doesn't understand why "everyone" is against them. Isn't she "God's Own Country"? Isn't she "the land of the free"? That's why 9/11 came as a big surprise. The towers of Mammon were cut down in in a spiritual battle between allah and mammon. And I don't want to fight in a struggle between two evil spirits and George Bush can blasphemically paraphrase our Lord and Saviour when he says "either you're with us or you're with the terrorists" but I don't run that race.
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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 04:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am feeling the attack on America here as well. I am from Canada but I too have had enough of the USA bashing. Just that fact that Messian Dread always writes is as U$A, and the tone used when speaking of George Bush. I personally respect George Bush. He is in a very tough situation right now and I don't envy him at all. He boldy believes in God and is not afraid to mention the name of God and that he beleives in a creator. Some would be afraid to say this (especially in a high possition) because it may offend others. He is a human being and he need our prayers. I don't know what he should do about Iraq (and I'm glad it's not up to me) but you have to understand that he can't just sit back and watch his people be killed and threatened. The reason the USA is so hated is because they stand for peace and Christianity, they protect other countries and want peace -- so come on and give them a break. We live in a sinful world and in the eyse of God none of us is worthy (without Christ). All fall short of the glory of God. To Him sin is sin, there are no degrees of what sins are worse than others. We are all like filthy rags compared to the righteousness of God.

Just to let all you Americans know that Canada loves you! Although we sometimes feel differently on some things we are you neighbours and your friends and I say God bless!!!
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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 14:55    Post subject: babylon Reply with quote

Brother Jah Pickney, the west, including Europe (where I live), is modern day babylon. Jah's description of babylon is quite different then your description of the usa. Read the Bible about it and know the times in which we live are the last times, things are rounding up the for eventual clash of evil forces described in the Apocalypse. If you feel "attacked" you should notice that I speak out against the system, the politics and thing, not personal people like you or blaminack. When I write u$a that means I identify their "god": mammon. And I found my point of view from reading the Bible.

Fact: all presidents from the usa in one way or another say that they are christian. They all go a church, they all say "god bless us" forth. Nothing new under the sun with mr Bush jr.. We (should) know that babylon likes to use the Name of the Divine Saviour for her political aims and to keep people in ignorance. We should know by reading history, and by reading the bible.

Question: Who trained Bin Ladin? Who put Saddam on the throne? Who provided them with weapons? Ever checked that out? So in the best situation, this whole new "war on terror" is like frankenstein trying to kill the monster he created himself. And I would say that that is a thing in which people who know themselves to be saved by the Blood of the Divine Saviour, Yesus Kristos, have no business with whatsoever. Let the dead bury the dead.
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