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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 15:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

One Love Jetze...Ites Blaminack...good to see theI...JahPickney: Greetings, and Hello to all the others I have not mentiond

The President of the US in which InI reside has justification to attack Iraq the same way Europe had Justification to attack HITLER!!

Sadaam Huessein is a dictator with a long history of human rights violations and ethnic cleansing...he tests his biological and chemical weapons on his own people...

the reasons for war on Iraq:
ANTHRAX
BOCHELISM
CYNARIN
MUSTARD GAS (also used by Hitler)
Ux NERVE AGENT
and approxamately 30000 munitions able to deliver these weapons...

as well as 5 methods of enriching Uranium for nuclear weaponry...
a recent purchase of a significant amount of Uranium from africa...

"Since when have terrorists put the World on notice before striking?"

Huessein has already demonstrated that mutual assured destruction is of no matter to him (Gulf Storm)...whether or not InI am pacifist...or Yeshua would kill the citizens of Iraq, InI believe that NATO (not just the USA) is justified in the desire to strike first...

Oil, I'm sure is also important...but the USA was not looking for the oil until Iraq started looking for the Uranium, no?

InI refuse to join the debate on american "manifest destiny" by killing and conquering many of the greatest cultures in history, the same as the Holy Roman Empire...but InI support Mdread totaly in most of his oppinions on AmeriKKKa as a nation...

<by the way, InI father was one of the UN inspectors in 1992 and 1993, therefore InI have verified what the President said in his adress two nights ago...>
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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 19:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talawa, i never seen "ameriKKKa before, when i saw it i chuckled a little but it really is not a laughing thing i know, because it is too true.

in responce to Jah Pickney about Bush and U.S. presidents. no disrespect intended here but you ought to know as good as anyone that someone mentioning god and a creator doesn't neccesarily mean anything. Satan belives that God is and that he created. you aslo have to know that in the hebrew Elohim which means God also can mean god as would be used in pagan worship speaking of a higher spiritual being that is viewed as god, but both translate to the same english word.

this nation has been supposedly been founded on christianity but this is not true the founders of the U.S. were religious but not Christian. a conservative christain institiution here in california recently had a confrence which included a seminar on just that subject. in that case you have serious bible scholars and theologians proving the point i am making that the founding fathers of this country were not christian contrary to popular belief. in fact all the presidents except the few that have been assinated have been member of the masonic cult in which a god is acknowledged but the true God is not served at the lower levels this cult seems much just like some orgnization, but if someone gets up to the 29 or 30 degree of masonry they become demon possesed and most who do get that far dont live very long because the demonic oppression drives them mad and the end up killing themselves. so really masonry is just shrouded satanism. my grandfather came here from india some years back and he is involved in the cult in mention.

and there is not america bashing going on here but if exposing the truth is bashing than it is done rightfully. the only reason that these things are being said about the country is because that is was this topic was about.
bablyon is more than just america but america is the topic being discussed here.
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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2003 20:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

MD seems to forget:

- the real acual physical town of Babylon IS located in Iraq and SH has been rebuilding it for many years

- the USA doesn't even rank in the top of the world's wealthiest countries any longer, but that most of those positions are occupied by countries in the New Europe where he lives.
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 02:47    Post subject: re: "Christian Nation"? Reply with quote

To Numor:

I was expecting someone to come up with this argument about the location of babylon being in Iraq. I do not know if you believe that the Bible is the written Word of God, and in it's original language infallible, but there is a vision from Jah (God) to the prophet daniel in which it becomes clear, that the world-dominating systems throught-out history are all coming out of the head/brain called babylon. Babylon is a mystery (Revelations) which can only be identified when the proper knowledge (that is: scriptural knowledge) is utilizied.

In short, this is that knowldge: The system that dominates world politics, through-out history, was founded in bab-el by a hybrid demon/man called Nimrod who is later worshipped as Bachus (and many other names). We identify it as babylon. It is an evil system based upon another mystery: the "mystery of iniquity" as Paulus calles it in one of his letters to the Thessalonicenses. The "mystery of iniquity" is the plan to make satan sit on the throne of God, to crown satan king of kings on earth. This mystery works on every field: political, social, religious, you name it.

These remarks are a summary of rscriptural reasons as to why I speak about babylon. This is not, as some do, parroting Reggae Songs about "babylon". Those Reggae Songs about babylon are actually quite (scripturally) right in their observation and they might not come as a comfort for those who think that the western world (including the U$A who likes to call herself the leader of this "free world" we identify as babylon) are "christian", but it doesn't make it less right.


To Natty T:
Thank you for claryfying things in a way I may be unable to clarify. I agree with what you said and I am a bit surprised by some of the (very revealing) responses.

To Ras T:
It's not about these weapons. It's to clear the oil and to satisfy a spoiled child who didn't get what he wanted (osama on a stick). For these two reasons the world is being drawn into a holocaust.
There's too much shifting going on. First it was that the UN-inspectors had to be accepted again, or else..... Then it was, that the UN-inspectors had to be given more room, or else..... And now it seems to be that Iraq has to proof it has no weapons, or else..... What's next?
And there is more. First it was, the United Nations in a unanymous security counsil decision. Now that it becomes clear that not all members are willing to "follow the leader", this is by-passed and it is said that even without UN mandate the U$A will attack anyway. You propose the "Nato-option" but that is not an option since not all nato members are willing to participate. So that option will also be by-passed.
No, the USA wants to attack Iraq and doesn't want to listen to others. If the others don't do what they want, then they will do it without them. That is the situation.
If the USA is so seriously concerned about these weapons, they can be 100% certain that in the war that they want, these weapons will be used to attack Israel, the Holy Land. They could have even, in the previous gulf war, go to baghdad and create some "freedom" there, but they didn't. People in Iraq were ready to throw over Saddam and with a little help they could have, but the "good" usa didn't want to help and let the opponents of saddam rot away, just like they did with the young guy who entered the car of a un inspector last week while shouting "help me, help me". But there was no help for this young man, he was "handed over to iraqi authorities". So much for genuine concern.

No man, this is not a race for us to race in, this is not a battle for us to fight in.
But now, all of a sudden, when Osama seems to be "out-of-reach" there is a concern for the people
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 05:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetze,

I have a question. What makes the West ANY differant than the East? Is not the Eastern Countries of the World just as greedy and corrupt? What is in the West came from this East. Is this not true? Babylon is a result of the Human Sinnful condition that we are all under to some extent. It has nothing to do with boundries, but with wicked hearts.

Now as far as the US acting alone. This is the place where the terrorist have attacked and are still planning on attacking. Sadam is about destroying.... Period.

I agree that much of what is going on may be for the wrong reasons. But we ONLY KNOW WHAT WE TOLD BY THE HATE BUSH MEDIA. I am by no means looking for war. I hate the very idea. But I also hate the idea that a terrorist sent by Sadam is lurking around here right now waitng for the School Building to get full before he walks in and blows himself up.

So many hate America mainly out of envy. I see tons of Islamic people here that come here and start receiving the benefits of a free society and the militantcy stops. Why? Because they see for themselves that they have been lied to about the Great Satan.

Is prosperity in and of it's self the right basis for hatred? Christ did not by any means hate those who were rich but He told them how hard it will be for them to enter into Heaven. You have said your self that the Bible says to love your enemies and yet I see so much wrath directed to America and Bsuh. Keep some balance.
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 06:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaminack, i cant fully speak for MD but i think he might agree with this

it is not just the west that have wickedness and is part of the babylon system, it is east as well. i am pretty sure there are no more truly Jah following politcal systems left in the world. i belive that H.I.M. was the last righteous ruler. every government in these times is part of the wicked system: eastern,western, northern and southern. everyone and everything not following and in obedience to Jah is part of the babylon system, there is no partiality towards or against any country. InI is trying to survive in a world that belong to the prince of the power of the air, originally named satan and he is the leader of this world system

and your right much wrath is being directed towards amerikkka and bush, and Jah wrath on them and the rest of the wicked system will be much worse
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 13:43    Post subject: Babywrong Reply with quote

This is not about who is more sinfull than the other. This is about identifying babylon. And no, it is not so that the whole world is babylon. Or don't you know the prophesy from Daniel in which this becomes clear? That there are succeeding world empires and that these empires have nebukadnezar as head? So the Bible actually says that the west is modern day babylon. For more details see my previous post(s).

"Hate Bush Media"? Not quite. When I see what George "War" Bush says I get my opinnion quite easily thank you. When I see the rhetoric such as the man utters in his "state of union" I don't need any "anti bush propaganda". The man makes great propaganda against himself. The arrogance in his eyes and in his words, that makes me sick (to use your own words). And when I see christians who gladly support this man, because he manages to lay down a "Christian Image", that makes me sad and angry. Because that is propaganda. These things are feeding soils for such believes as some people who start to believe Selassie to be God. I hope you can feel what I'm saying here.

People hating amerika cause of envy. Now that is a point which I most gladly adress, because it proves my point. Envy? You speak about wanting material gain. Spiritually, that is the power of mammon. It's the power of mammon against the power of allah. Babylon is all about serving mammon. More money, more money, more money. Yes, to quote Bob Marley: "A Hungry Mouth Is An Angry Mouth". The west consumes, with 15% of the world population, 85% of all the available food. You speak of balances. Well this is a balance which is unjust. It is not just how richess of the world is organized.

But this is not the only reason why "people hate amerika". For a servant of mammon, it is not really possible to see things outside of their own money perspective. For most babylonians it is unthinkable that someone can see that there is more in life then just making money. And please, do take into consideration that the majority of the 9/11 terrorists were actually people from rich families.

There was a thing months after 9/11 which illustrated this. A group of high ranking philosophers congregated. These philosophers were to find out the idealism of the west (Sorry for my bad language, it's kind of complicated and english is not my native tongue). But after 9/11 it became clear, even for the eyes of babylon, that it was not only money that made people "hate amerika". It became clear, that there are people who are willing to sacrifice their own live in the "war on america". It became clear, that an ideology, a religion, can be a very strong motivating power. It became clear, that in the west the majority of people do not have such a thing. they do not know where they live for, why they are what they are. They just born, work and die without any view. And this is not so with Moslems. They actually have a view, "a reason to live and a reason to die for". And this motivates them.

Yes, the Good Lord said to love my enemies. So I would never go and bomb a building. Not for osama and not for george. That is my balance.

Yesus did not tell us to go and kill for babylon. He did not tell us to go and kill for allah. He told us to let the dead bury the dead. When you see the world events you see the fulfilment of His words: "How can beelzebub drive out beelzebub? A kingdom divided by itself (allah vs mammon) can not stand.

There is only one solution, and that is that YESUS KRISTOS, The KING of Kings, the LORD of Lords, the Conquering Lion of the tribe of Judah will come and reign. Only then will we see peace and justice.
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 19:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ites Bredren...

Jetze, would it not be possible to link the term Babylon with the entire world that is apart from Yeshua?? Babylon is spoken of as a "whore" a thing that sells itself for money, and could the entire world not fit the description...

I mentioned that the oil was a key part of the war, but the European countries to which Sadaam owes money to are not complaining...

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