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Natty 'twan
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 19:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

"link the term Babylon with the entire world that is apart from Yeshua"

RasT, this question you posed sums up the point i was trying to make as well. but remember that the whore of bablyon means alot more than selling itself for money. when israel left Jah and worshipped idols it was said they prostituted themselves, in a spiritual sense it represent the false worship out side that of the Almighty. and that also includes all nations not just the west.
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your opinnion on daniel 2:31-3:47?

http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=daniel+2%3A31-3%3A47&KJV_version=yes&language=english

or listen: http://bible.gospelcom.net/bgaudio/english/kjv/hurl?passage=dan+2
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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2003 23:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

my opinion on that is the same as the four beasts in that book; four earthly kingdoms and a final kingdom that is yet to take its full power over the world which the almighty will come down and destroy. i dont think anyone can no where that kingdom will rise from. i think there will be headquarters for it in some part of the world but the whole world will be a part of this final kingdom under the antichrist, then Iyesus shall come down and smite them. babylon is the world kingdom that is not uder the Almighty and as of right now no country is controling the world so it is hard to say where the capital of the wicked system will be in the end.
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PostPosted: 03 Feb 2003 03:59    Post subject: Politics and religion Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 03 Feb 2003 09:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

for one the US is not way ahead of Iraq the might be a Islamic system but U.S. if full of heathens and apostates no one is better that the other in Jah sight.

i'm not ruling out the possiblity of U.S. taking over the world but you dont have solid proof for that, as the fulfillment of prophecy
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PostPosted: 03 Feb 2003 11:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swear this to be the truth, the US will never take over the world.

She is a small country indeed, sometimes with few allies. The problem is that she appears wealthy due to her great greed. She also 'appears' to be the greatest country in the world because of her self-proclaimed pride. Her right to free speech affords her no secrecy. Let's be honest, what civilization would really say a year ahead of time "Clean your house, next year we are coming to clean you out!" Biblically even the thief in the night knew to come when the owner was unprepared.

No, You can read in the headlines about fallen countries whose military is fallen, it's people are poor and it's technology is ancient. To a country who places everything on appearance and whose own scientists base their lives work on hypotheses, they have no time to research what their daily headlines tell them but rather take it as fact.

You can hear about Russia who has ceased production of military equipment and see the great photos of them destroying their fleets. In secrecy, they outfit their old equipment with state of the art munitions, and the cost is the appearance that the people are starving. The greatest phrase I hear about another country other than Iraq is "how pathetic Russia is". They had some of the most cunning leaders of all time, and if you read any literature regarding them you know that the bear is sleeping indeed, soon to awake. Even in the early 1900s their leaders were able to see a long term plan. I'd keep my eyes peeled there.


As far as the US is concerned, they haven't even gone to war and they are already seeking money from other countries. Bush SR had to get loan upon loan just weeks into his Gulf war. The US is broke and I hgihly doubt of the world's great financial, technological and military leaders would allow themselves to be taken over by a boastful, poor country. More likely they would ban together and fight. I'm not on one side or the other, but just because the US is in the media most often I would not bet they would take over the world.

As far as bombing Iraq I have no idea. It's funny how now everyone is fearful of Saddam and even more, are of him. When the shuttle crashed, the UN diplomat from Israel praised his countryman who was onboard because he had the courage to bomb Saddam's nuclear plant (as part of the first wave military strike) when the rest of the world thought they were crazy.

Anyone can build any case they wish through the media.
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PostPosted: 03 Feb 2003 12:27    Post subject: Time Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 03 Feb 2003 13:09    Post subject: Would Jesus Bomb Iraq? Reply with quote

Heavyweight discussions here ...

I have to say I am in agreement with MD on his analysis of Babylon.
I do understand the sensitivity of US brethren to what you feel to be "America-bashing", but I think some of the defences put forward about the Christian nature of America are very questionable.

Nearly all Americans I have met I have liked very much and there are a lot of things about AMERICANS, as people, that are commendable. But if we are to talk about America as a state and a system then, like all states and systems of this world, we are on a different matter.

Christian faith is too often seen in the West as a matter of merely personal salvation - an escape ticket from hell, if you will. There is little analysis or thought of the wider implications of the gospel of the KINGDOM, which is what Jesus preached, and which continues from the prophetic announcement of the Kingdom in the Hebrew scriptures, and which finds its culmination in the prophetic imagery of the new heaven and earth of Revelation.

We should ask ourselves how the values of the Kingdom of God might challenge the prevailing values of our cultures - our lifestyles, our agricultural policies, our international business practices, our materialist consumption, our "free market" capitalism, our readiness to go to war to defend these things...I could go on. Peace, justice, and righteousness do not flow from these things. They oppose the Kingdom of God and cause oppression, injustice, greed, inequity, abuses of poor people and resources. These things lead to a backlash from those who see themselves as the victims of this downpression. Many of these things lie at the root of the anti-American feelign which is widespread around the world.

Of which Kingdom are we citizens? The kingdom of Yahweh or of Mammon/Babylon? Where does our allegiance really lie?

That God allows and uses wars as intruments of judgement against nations is not, of itself, a justification for CHRISTIANS to support and make war. This is a hard concept to grasp, even for me at times. I think of the Nazis and my NATURAL instinct is to fight, hate and destroy. But I do not see such a response taught by Jesus, but rather the complete reverse.

It all depends on how much we understand ourselves as citizens of a different Kingdom. The Kingdoms of the world will fall, both self-destroyed and ultimately judged by God. But we are not part of these kingdoms, or should not be...

Like MD says, let the dead bury the dead, we are meant to have a different job to do as citizens of a different kingdom.
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