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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2004 19:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

blessed love to all,
to respond to deh bredren JonaGus, whom Ini will say publicly is revealing an angle of reason which Ini have great raspect for, Ini think one thing was omitted. in numbers chapter 6, (Ini does not have an I-ble handy) JonaGus started off with verse 13, if Ini am not mistaken, the prerequisite for all of these requirements was if a nazarite came into contact wid a dead body. if Ini am wrong, excuse I but that is Ini overstanding from now.
Secondly, deh two most popular nazarites, Yohn deh baptist & Samson were nazarite from birth and for life, which gives further credibility to deh nazarite vow being for life, unless a one violated it by coming into contact wid a dead body. deh Rasta saying of "whyuh grow yuh dread fi cut yuh dread" meks perfect sense to Ini, espicially when one looks at deh whole of deh nazarite vow. again if Ini am incorrect in Ini application and division of deh Word excuse I to all offended.
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Regis_sounds



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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2004 20:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not many of today can even compare rasta with nazarite.Wat is the purpose of the vow?I know if u take any part with grape or wine or anything down that line that de vow is broken.Honestly answer me how many rastas today eat grapes on a regular basis or have taken a lil alcohol in their lives?Well if they have i would have dem not consider even using the nazarites to justify certain things cause clearly they are not nazarites
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JonaGus
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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2004 21:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfectloveinH.I.M. wrote:
in numbers chapter 6, (Ini does not have an I-ble handy) JonaGus started off with verse 13, if Ini am not mistaken, the prerequisite for all of these requirements was if a nazarite came into contact wid a dead body. if Ini am wrong, excuse I


No, verses 6-12 concern contact with a dead body. If the Nazirite has contact with a dead body during the time of his vow, the consecration is voided and unsuccessful. But verses 13-20 deal with the successful completion of the vowed period. When the vowed time is successfully completed, the consecrated hair is shaved off and burned as an offering.

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Secondly, deh two most popular nazarites, Yohn deh baptist & Samson were nazarite from birth and for life


Samson was consecrated from birth, I agree, but his case is certainly exceptional and not the norm described in Numbers 6. It may be that some people chose a lifetime consecration, but if you believe that others did it, some biblical evidence is probably in order.
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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2004 21:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabbath is a whole different topic.I believe that it was a covanent between god and isreal,and not all nations.One of many reasons why i say that is in ex 20 10 where it says at the end nor thy stranger that is within thy gates,this shows that if it were for all nations they would no need to say within thy gates this shows it only applied to isreal and who concerned them,ok another is ex 31 17 that speaks clearly for itself.As i said this is a completely new topic so i wont say anymore
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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2004 21:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is in reply to ras b
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PostPosted: 16 Sep 2004 18:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

regis_sound

Your right! We rastas are not nazarites, they practised a few things we rastas now do e.g vegeterianism/ growing locks..... we are a new spiritual revelation hailing up JAH MIGHTY NAME! your also right by telling others not to use the nazarites to justify rastafari, WE STAND ALONE WITH JAH & FIRM!

gedamawe H.I.M.!
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Ras B
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PostPosted: 16 Sep 2004 21:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you read Numbers 6:1-21 carefully, you will find that the Nazarite vow was a temporary special consecration. And yes, the Bible does say that that when the time of the vow is completed the participant's head should be shaved:


i never denied that. i said that the point is not the shaving part. the point, pennicle and purpose of being a nazirite is the time of consecration not the ending of the vow.

on top of samson, prophet samuel and john the baptist were life time nazirites, so the length depnds on the person and what Jah have for them. I vow is for life, other may only be a season
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 00:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ras B wrote:
i said that the point is not the shaving part. the point, pennicle and purpose of being a nazirite is the time of consecration not the ending of the vow.


Personally, I think that is debatable. The offering of the shaved hair in the fire seems significant in the normal practice described in Numbers 6.

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on top of samson, prophet samuel and john the baptist were life time nazirites


I agree that Samson was a lifelong Nazirite! It was clearly exceptional, and not the norm which is guided by Numbers 6.

I have also asked for substantial biblical evidence that Samuel and John the Baptist were lifelong Nazirites. Do you have some you could share with us?
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