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blaminack
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 01:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

This verse comes to mind in regards to Samuel....

1Sa 1:11 And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.
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Ras B
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 16:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you Blaminck that saved my from looking cause i wasnt sure where that was.

i love the mental picuture of samuel, he lived a long time he must have had a serious dread. he probably had to have a donkey when he traveled just to carry his dread. hehehe
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 16:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The offering of the shaved hair in the fire seems significant in the normal practice described in Numbers 6.

interesting Jonagus, so you think that the burning of his dread was more siginficant than the tasks and works he performed in his state of consecration?

i cant see that at all.

so that means that samuel, john and samson and whoever else may be in that catagory had no real significance where their vow is concerned cause they never ended it and burned they dread?


here is the evidence of John the baptist being a nazirite;

luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 16:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

first i will respond to ras b's comment when i stated that dreads are nothing more than a hairstyle..... now let me be clear on what i meant ... dreads can mean whatever that want to the individual , but in GODS eyes dreads are nothing more than a hairstyle after jesus came and died on the cross, for jesus is the only path to righteous and the belief in JESUS CHRIST alone is the only way to obtain righteousness....so hairstyles , vows and so forth do not add to this righteousness, remember only faith in Jesus alone accounts for anything....... in response to ras b's statement about the vow your very own words were
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oh really? i am curious where that info. is found because the bible doesnt say that. i thought the whole point of the vow was to be specially conescrated during the time of the vow.
so there your own words are making the accusation that this is not in the bible...... whether or not samuel was "never to shave his head all the days of his life" has nothing to do with a normal person in old testament times, taking the nazirean vow. for samuel and samson were specially ordered by GOd to go thru that extreme...... once again let us go over the exact content of the vow , verse 19 "
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And the priest shall take the boiled shoulder of the ram, one unleavened cake from the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and put them upon the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his consecrated hair,
...... after that he may drink wine ....... now if you read this carefully you will see that the vow wasnt even completed untill the nazirite shaved his head and the boiled ram was put in his hands .... so therefore the completion of the nazirite vow was when the priest put the meat and food in the hands of the nazirite , and that could happen only after he shaved his head -boomfire
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 16:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

lets not forget everyone , it is possible to have long hair without having dreads..... there is no evidence in the description of the vow that the hair was to be dreaded, it just says it is not to be cut until the vow is completed......
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ras B wrote:
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The offering of the shaved hair in the fire seems significant in the normal practice described in Numbers 6.

interesting Jonagus, so you think that the burning of his dread was more siginficant than the tasks and works he performed in his state of consecration?


No, I see it as a whole: the growing, the shaving, the burning. The burning is made significant by the growing and the growing by the burning. The whole is an offering.

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so that means that samuel, john and samson and whoever else may be in that catagory had no real significance where their vow is concerned cause they never ended it and burned they dread?


I did not say that at all. I said they were exceptional cases and not normative. God had different plans for them than for other people, who followed the rule of the Nazirite given in Numbers 6. So exceptional were God's plans that they were explcitly revealed to their parents!

Thanks for the passage on John. And thanks, Blaminack, for the one on Samuel.

Now a good question is "Where does the Nazirite offer his sacrifice after 70 A.D.?"
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 18:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

boomfire,

1. is deh I dread?

2. have deh I ever been dread?

3. have deh I ever seen a homeless person wid dreads, because if deh I has, den deh I will know dat dem don't have dem for vanity nor did deh do anything fi mek dem dread, it is jes I-ration.

4. depending upon deh person's melanin levels and heritage truthfully nothing has to be done except abstain from deh cutting of deh locks. case in point is deh Honorable Robert Nesta Marley, who did not even twist his hair but let I-ration tek over.

in Ini overall view, dis bald head and bald face culture is a specifically roman thing that persists to this very day globally. deh whole world is scared of long hair and more specifically facial hair, so if "saints" are in deh world but not of deh world, how can one choose to look as deh world?

Jonagus,
dere is not explicit scripture dat definitely define Yohn deh Baptist as a life long unshaven man but for some reason dis is deh overall concensus at least in deh organized churches because of the fact that he came straight of deh wilderness and not too long after was murdered depending upon deh gospel.
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2004 18:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonaGus,
Ini would say dat, dat part of deh vow is null and void since Christ has come because it involves blood, since He was supposed to be deh last blood sacrifice period.
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