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Jah Servant
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PostPosted: 19 Sep 2004 17:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acts 18:8
So Paul still remained a good while. Then he took leave of the brethren and sailed for Syria, and Priscilla and Aquila were with him. He had his hair cut off at Cenchrea, for he had taken a vow.

When they took a nazarite vow, they shaved their head at the start, then the new hair that grew was the "consecration upon their heads" this was their tradition, then of course they'd shave it again at the end of the vow. There is no other reason for Paul to have shaved his head concerning a vow.
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PostPosted: 19 Sep 2004 18:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

this does not prove that the vow paul took was the nazirite, and show me in scripture where it says that one must shave their head at the start of the vow, besides paul talks about long hair on a man being a disgrace in his epistle ( according to the culture he was part of ) ......... it is not stated that paul took the nazirite vow and the fact he shaved his head is not enough evidence to prove it was..... for all we know he coudl have just made a vow up and shaved his head for humilty........ it was also common for mourners to shave their heads, and put ashes on their heads.... throughout the scriptures ,along with putting on sackcloth .............
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PostPosted: 19 Sep 2004 19:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boom Fire it is total assumption to think that Paul's vow was any thing other than the Nazerite vow, as the Vow of the Nazerite has specificly to do with the hair not being cut until the end of the vow. Is it possible that he made up a vow? Yes of course but how do you draw that conclusion from the Scripture UNLESS you are purposely trying to avoid the Nazerite vow as being legitimate for the New Testement believer? In which case I don't think that the problem is with the Scripture but interpretation.
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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2004 06:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

first let me say , things of this nature .... we have no proof on either side, paul never stated if this is the vow he took. and we should not argue (i am just as guilty) over things we cannot prove in scripture.... for that is disputing over doubtful things...(romans 14) as the new testament warns againts.................. the whole point of me going out of my way to bring up these scriptures is because , in old testament times , the actual hair had significant meaning to ones righteousness, for God set up the vow of the nazirite not man, God was the one that decided whoever took the vow, that their hair would be considered a symbol of righteousness, and if that was taken away so was their offering to the lord......... but now Jesus has come and the only offering we can make in exchange for righteousness is belief in the Son of God JESUS CHRIST......... so now there are no physical elements man can do or possess to obtain this righteousness..... that is why i keep bringing up scripture about the nazirite vow.... as far as i read , the old testament explains the conditions for the vow to be met , and they are based on physical elements and sacrifice, that all tie together with the old testament law, we are now free from this law, and the scriptures say it is now obsolete(hebrews 8..)... so any vows anyone makes is between them and God , and they are personally drawing up the terms..... ................................................................................ and let me remind everyone about vows..... the scriptures caution those who make them , that they better keep them, ecclesiastes 5:4 -5
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when you make a vow to God, do not delay to pay it;, For He has no pleasure in fools. pay what you have vowed 5 it is better to not vow than to vow and not pay
.... and what does the new testament say on the same topic matthew 5:33-37
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again you have heard that it was said to those of old, "you shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to God, but i say to you, do not swear at all :neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; nor by earth,, for it is his footstool; nor by jerusalem, for it is the city of the great king. nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. but let your yes be yes and your no be no for whatever is more than these is from the evil ones.....
......... God will judge us by our every word, never mind vows we make...... and as i stated before .... dreads are not a sacriment , people who have them are no more righteous in Gods eyes than a bald headed person , and this point alone i think it is very important we as christians witnessing to rastas to stand firm and clear about dreads meaning nothing for righteousness, that is why i persist on this topic........... if people want to discuss things in scripture i am here to do so , but if you want to make assumptions on things not written in scripture , your making yourself look like a fool, (myself included)-boomfire ..................................................................................................................................................p.s my approach on this board does not always come across in the most loving manner , but i will assure everyone i am interested in truth and pray for me that i would be more diligent to deliver my posts in love........
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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2004 12:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boomfire,

I agree with much what you have said in this post. I do not think that dreads in and of themselves will make one righteous. It would be silly to think so. How ever God has told some to grow them. For that person it is a matter of obediance And Scripture does say that obediance is better than sacrifice.
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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2004 16:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and you go near a dead animal , NOW WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO?
a hebrew professor told me that the dead body was specifically human not animal, also many nazerites were preists and prophets and they were not breaking there vow evertime they were offereing sacrifice for someone
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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2004 16:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

blessed love to all, Ini have com forward again-

1. dis discussion over whether paul was a nazarite splits off into two schools-
a. Ini think JonaGus said the definition of a nazarite was one who teks deh vow
b. a nazarene was one who hails from Nazareth

2. Acts 24:5 gives a different picture. Ini thought it to be confusion to
have a vow so closely named to a city that you cannot tell deh
difference in a partaker and an inhabitant. when it says in Matthew
that Emmanuel shall be a nazarene, Ini took dat as meaning dat dis
is Jah in flesh, why wouldn't his physical temple be specially conscecrated? it wasn't until reasoning here that Ini had heard of anything different than that viewpoint. Ini accepted it because deh I-ble deals so sparsely wid deh vow after Numbers. lo, & behold in Acts 24:5, Tertullus speaking to deh governor calls a paul a "ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes."
this puts a different spin on all previous definitions up to dis point. in Ini view it further validates that deh word Nazarene means a taker of deh vow simply because Paul did not come from Nazareth.

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I do not think that dreads in and of themselves will make one righteous. It would be silly to think so.


ones must learn to acknowledge H.I.M. in all of His creation. none can make dem individual strands of hair grow faster or slower, so to let Jah continue controlling that facet of life is righteous. does it necessarily mek ones heart righteous, no but does an evil heart let Jah tek control of their life?

finally why does deh whole world feel fear of hair and run gon forward ah barbershop fi get chopped on a personal level not a theological level?
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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2004 17:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

ras b , you are right as to the reference to dead humans, although i wonder why the scriptures say when samson went near a dead lion that he "did not tell his father or mother what he had done" i always assumed this was in reference to the commandment not to go near a dead body, but maybe he didnt tell them for another reason..... anyone feel free to give input ???
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