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12TribesLion
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 Posted: 21 Oct 2004
03:35 Post subject:
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I remember in the Caribbean when
it was Rastas who faced and still face trials and tribulations just
because of their outward appearance. Since Rastas seperated
themselves from modern society by looking different from them with
locks, these baldheads brutalized Rastafarians for no reason and
sent them to prison. These same baldheads were calling themselves
Christians and despised locks.
Now all of a sudden some
Christians wearing locks too? What do they know about the
persecution that Rastafarians went through with dreadlocks? Nothing.
So why they want to have locks now? Maybe they like the style or
just for commercial business, but Rastafari grow locks because it is
I n I covenant with the Father, not no fashion, stylee or commercial
business. Now I don't have a problem with some Christians wearing
locks, because I know few who are ok and wouldn't speak down on
Rastas.
But there are others who wear locks and behave in
this ignorant kind of manner towards us Rastafarians, & it is
they who I really would like to ask, why do they have locks? Let's
be honest here it was the Rastafarians who boldly wore their hair
into locks even before these so called Christians began wearing
them, & endured pure sufferation by so called Christians. Even
the Ethiopian Christians still show love to Rastas, not undermine
them like others are doing. So again I really have to ask, why are
these people really wearing locks?
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blaminack
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
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I don't have locks. And I think
it was a reaction of fear that caused those types of things. Instead
of trying to understand the critques that the early Rastas offered
at the Church I think they saw it as an attack. Also legalism is a
very big part of lots of Christian Churches. It is wrong. I strive
to not have such a judgmental attitude.
I would like for you
to see something though. Often people go far and beyond the
intentions of the Bible to feel more rigtheous. For example, if I
don't smoke ciggerettes and have never had a problem with such a
thing, it could be very easy to look down on those that are
addicted. Now I could go patting myself on the back about how much
more goddly I am than the person who struggles. The truth is that
most who do such things are over compensating for a hiden struggle.
Men who are addicted to porn for example are often very legalistic
in other parts of their lives that are more easily seen.
Any
ways I have said all that to say that it is not the Bible, or true
Christianity that causes such things, but it is sinnful flesh that
allows such hypocracy. | |
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
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1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature
itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame
unto him? |
deh
initial responses is from deh pauline doctrine in which paul tells
ones" does not nature teach you dat long hair is deh shame of a
man?". dis innit itself is deh prevailing attitude of deh globe
today because of who carried deh "Christian" message out from rome.
never in Ini view can deh modern ever replace deh ainciency, it jest
cyan.
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Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make
baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the
corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their
flesh. |
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1 Corinthians 11:15
But if a woman have
long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her
for a covering. |
dis is why deh entire world is infatuated wid
sistren wid long hair because of dis verse and for what, vanity?
1 Peter 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward
[adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of
putting on of apparel;
dis is directed at Afreecan people
becase dey were deh first to plait or braid hair simply out of
necessity. Ini know deh context in which it is used but someone tell
I if dis is law or commentary or advice, because no one seems to
know espicially regarding paul.
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1 Corinthians 11:6
For if the woman be not
covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a
woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be
covered. |
dis
verse is responsible for at least deh entre western world meking it
a necessity for sistren to shave. dis is one of deh most ridiculous
things Ini have cited in deh I-ble because it basically is saying
dat even doe Jah has made sistren wid dis hair for a divine purpose,
let us put assunder what Jah has I-rated for deh sake of vanity,
yeah right!
dis and other ridiculous reasonings have made
deh entire global community afraid of hair in itself and for what?
roman vanity? deh razor industry is large in deh western world as if
it were a universal basic necessity for survival, when it is a waste
of money. Ini guess shaving everyday is similar to how deh medicinal
community works here also, attacking deh byproduct but never deh
root. deh root of hair is dat JAH.I.M.self I-trols deh growth of
hair and dat notta one could stoppit from growing or mekit grow any
faster if dem tried, so why try and destroy it everyday or everyweek
for a facade dat only disappears deh nextday? all hair was placed
upon deh individual for a specific reason dat only H.I.M. knows so
why battle deh force dat made you a force yourself? deh strength of
deh nazarite vow and all others who refuse to bow to rome's scissors
and comb propaganda is a very real thing and for deh 1st advent
Christians who are honest unto Jah, dem will acknowledge dis as
truth by deh very fact dat dem gon natty. again Ini ask who are you
fi stop Jah I-ration?
Hail
H.I.M.inperfectlove
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Christian and feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing
masked as true Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile
Selassie I on ones but to stay eternally cognizant dat salvation is
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blaminack
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
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Yes, you are right that the idea
came from that verse and it is only applied by folsk who disregard
the verse below it...
1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be
contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of
God. | |
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
18:36 Post subject: Re:
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| 12TribesLion wrote: |
| Since Rastas seperated themselves from modern
society by looking different from them with locks, these
baldheads brutalized Rastafarians for no reason and sent them
to prison. |
I
think societies usually fear groups which separate themselves out,
rejecting the familiar norms of society (whether good or bad),
especially when the seperatist group manifests their separation
through clothing, hairstyles, and other practices which sharply
differ from the norms of the society.
The punk movement is
another which receives a very similar reaction, and for the same
reasons. Likewise the great "holy fools" of Christian tradition
(c.f. Perfect Fools by John
Saward). Separatists groups are, whether rightly or wrongly, almost
always perceived as dangerous and threatening to society.
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| These same baldheads were calling themselves
Christians and despised locks. |
I have no doubt they considered themselves
Christians, although it's pretty clear that they often failed to
behave as Christians must.
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| Now all of a sudden some Christians wearing
locks too? |
It
isn't "sudden" in the sense that individual Christians have done it
in many places at different times. Locks occur naturally in many
hair types, you know. Some people let their hair lock, other people
comb.
Sometimes one or the other will be socially preferred
within a culture, rather like wearing hats. It used to be socially
unacceptable for people to go out without hats, now hats tend to be
scorned. This is rarely a religious phenomenon, though occasionally
people will often try to justify their preferences with biblical
principles and/or scriptural citations. But the real truth is that
Christianity, as a religion, has never had detailed rules about "how
you should look and dress" and "how you should not look and dress,"
even though some predominantly Christian cultures have.
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| So why they want to have locks now? Maybe they
like the style or just for commercial
business |
Some
probably just like the style. Some are probably following fads
promoted in commercial magazines. Some are identifying with aspects
of the culture and doctrines of Rastafari, for a variety of reasons.
Some are doing it as a conscious affirmation of their familial
heritage and natural hair type, to contradict a cultural history of
supression and shame (as when Malcolm X rejected conking his hair,
or in the "black is beautiful" dimension of the American civil
rights movement). There are many, many reasons (and sometimes none)
that people lock their hair.
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| but Rastafari grow locks because it is I n I
covenant with the Father, not no fashion, stylee or commercial
business. |
Yes.
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| there are [some Christians] who wear locks and
behave in this ignorant kind of manner towards us
Rastafarians, & it is they who I really would like to ask,
why do they have locks? |
I'd say: Just ask 'em!
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| Let's be honest here it was the Rastafarians
who boldly wore their hair into locks even before these so
called Christians began wearing them, & endured pure
sufferation by so called Christians. |
People have been wearing locks from the dawn
of mankind because some people's hair just locks if they don't comb
it. It didn't start with Rastafari.
I completely agree that
Rastas, and especially famous Rastas like Bob Marley, had a big hand
in popularizing locks in
modern times and making them increasingly acceptable in cultures
where they were not before.
I also agree that many Rastas
have often suffered unjustly when they were feared because they
violated social expectations and norms.
At the same time,
the Christians who wear locks are not the same people who persecuted
other people for wearing them.
So just ask them what they're
about.
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There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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Yisraulmob
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
18:48 Post subject: Natty
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| I am glad that Jonagus brought up
the fact that dreadlocks were in existence way before Rasta.
Rastafarians did not invent them, however dreads did gain popularity
because of Bob Marley and the rise of Reggae. I have my locks and
they represent an embracing of my culture as a Black man and
rebellion against Babylon system. InI am a pure Dread in Christ. I
believe that some biblical figures wore locks, although I obviously
don't believe that locks are for everyone. Blacks and some other
cultures have been dreading for hundreds upon hundreds of years and
Babylon system and those brainwashed by it seem to have a problem
with it. JAH bless the dread and undread, InI are dread in heart and
on my head and I represent Natty for life. PRAISE
YAHUSHUA!!! | |
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
19:59 Post subject: Re:
Natty Dread |
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| Yisraulmob wrote: |
| I have my locks and they represent an
embracing of my culture as a Black man and rebellion against
Babylon system. |
This is something that I think both Rastas
and Christians can appreciate, and it can actually be a point of
unity and mutual understanding.
A conscious affirmation of
familial heritage and natural hair type, to contradict a cultural
history of supression and shame, is something that we can all
support, even if some have other reasons for locking as well (e.g.
personal vows of consecration to God).
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| JAH bless the dread and
undread |
Amen.
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There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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LongLiveZereYacob
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
21:34 Post subject: lets
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greetings in that divine and most
precious name of Our Lord and Savior Yahshua Immanuel!
i too
have been curious about this. For black people, dreads can be an
aspect of the "black is beautiful" mentality, and I have no issues
with this. But i think the real question that 12TribesLion was
asking was why are White Christians wearing dreadlocks?
I
wear dreadlocks as a form of dedication to the Most High Elohim
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, in accordance with the Nazirite Vow of Numbers
Chapter Six. Paul was correct in his statement, that Long Hair
shames a Man. I have had this burden of shame for the past few years
now, including arrest and persecution the same. My question is, that
according the Christafari opinion, dreads are worn by Christians in
order to convert Rastas. This seems to be a terrible reason so is it
the reason?
it seems to be an abuse of the culture. i can't
agree with this, because it is abuse of the culture to which i
adhere. It is making a mockery of the dreads that are on my head. It
makes them just another hair style, and dreads should not be so.
Paul wore them, and took them so seriously that he paused His
Mission for the length of His Vow, so why are white christians no
seeming to take them so serious? ( i think it is because of bands
like KoRn making dreds in general popular amongst teenagers)
I am even more curious, not that white christians are
wearing dreads, but that are embracing reggae music and culture but
rejecting Ethiopian Orthodox and Rasfafari! Why is this? It seems
the most mockery!
"long time ago, Christians only sing in
Church and them a call reggae rags music!"
yours in christ
chris naphtali twelve tribes of
israel
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